Appropriate Spot Roll

[ManUtd4Ever]

I play a Duergar in game. Everyone has been a really great sport and played along.

I suspect a Dwarf would have an advantage of "outing me" given his racial acuteness. But then again so may an Elf.

What is the appropriate Spot Roll for a Duergar fully covered (head to toe) with armor or the like, to be detected?

Cheers!

[Phantom Lamb]

Be careful here. There's a difference between disguising and concealing that's important. What you're describing is concealing, though I suspect some may think you need disguise skill for it. Concealing is easy to do - though you look suspicious in doing so in some cases. But, a dwarf in full armor, in a combat area, is not really suspicious in my eyes. Now if you're in a bar, I'd look oddly at you - not because I thought you were a duergar, but because you're in full battle regalia in a social spot!

Anyway, my point is, I don't think any Spot roll is warranted if you are fully covered in armor. In full plate, I doubt even another dwarf could guess that your build differs from a typical shield or gold dwarf.

[ManUtd4Ever]

Outstanding feedback! Thank you PL.

[Intrepid42]

My own opinion only.

Duergar outcasts (or scouts) are known to exist but uncommon in most places, so the level of suspicion on meeting a grumpy, obnoxious, stout heavily clad figure would not be high under most circumstances. The Duergar have recently started to patrol and contest the road to the Hollow, so suspicion may start to be raised at an earlier stage given recent events.

Their main distinguising features are their skin coloration, typically stolid expression and multiple tattoos in those with a criminal history amongst the Duergar (most outcasts, but not all). This would be hard to see behind a full helm with vision slit.

As you're not Disguising otherwise visible features the stock rules for Disguise vs Spot don't really suit, I agree. If issues arise I would suggest asking for DM advice on this, as I understand you can buff Spot to a fairly impressive level in Sundren.

The use of special abilities would be a bit of a give-away to a learned dwarf or other adventurer. Suspicion may also be raised if a curious and educated fellow traveller notes repeated resistance to paralysis, which is not a feature of most dwarven fighters.

Most dwarves will remove their helmets, eventually. There are notable non-Duergar exceptions, I am sure. But prolonged helmet-wearing will tend to arouse suspicion.

A major thing to consider would be sensitivity to light, akin to Drow. Daylight adaption is the feat to prevent suspicion-inducing hesitation and loss of competence when exiting dungeons into the light of day.

Duergar also tend to be (but are not always) of slimmer build than Dwarves. However, this may relate to diet and the unending toil in their grim cities, so outcast Duergar in the rich lands of the Surface may pack on a few pounds and look a bit healthier.

[Fezzik]

Not that any cross overs have happened but on a similar topic would races of the under dark be able to "sense" in any way another under darker? There closeness to the xanth like mineral or portion if the weave or whatever it is that gives them their SR. Like I said I don't think the deep gnome has ever come across the druegar anyway (let alone one of those insane elves!)

[Doubtful]

What is the appropriate Spot Roll for a Duergar fully covered (head to toe) with armor or the like, to be detected?

PL is perfectly spot on - What you're talking about is most definitely concealment. Spot doesn't give the X-ray vision required to see what's being hidden!

It's covered in the wiki if you ever need to point someone at a rule!
http://www.sundren.org/wiki/index.ph...e=SkillvsSkill

Not that any cross overs have happened but on a similar topic would races of the under dark be able to "sense" in any way another under darker?

No. That's to cheesy even for FR.