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  • Introducing... Dun dun dun... PAYCHECKS!

    I wanted some feedback on this before I open the floodgates because this is new to Sundren but I have sitting in front of me code that will be your faction paycheck. That's right, players will make money now in their faction...

    "GBX that sounds awesome! How does it work?!"

    Glad you asked! (I love talking to myself).

    Before I explain I want to note this is all experimental and is very subject to change! While I tossed in values that made sense to me, they may be too much, too little, or not work as I plan. That's part of why I am getting feedback.

    Every real-life week you get a pay period.

    The amount you get paid is based on three values.

    First value is a configured base pay rate. It's configured so it's easy to change one number and have everyone affected. The base payrate is 700 coins at the time of this posting. 100 coins a day.


    Second is faction wealth rating! Woah, what's that? Well, it occurred to me a system like this could be very useful incentive for RPing and bring faction members together. While reputation is something that works for your character, there's little real incentive in reputation to help others get theirs up as well. With a value that represents how financially stable a faction is, now your efforts for your faction can visibly reward EVERYONE on your faction! Suddenly when that Red Wizard negotiating for trading rights succeeds then everyone who wasn't even involved sees the rewards just for being a red wizard!

    This value, much like reputation is 1000 which is "Normal". As this goes up so does the % increase on base pay for everyone. Every 1000 is 100% increase.

    Now here's the thing, while this value can go up, it can and will also go down from events. You might have a donation drive for the good guys, but then people forget and over time you lose the bonus of the donation drive.

    Also, some factions will be naturally wealthier than others. This is true in FR and it'll be true in Sundren. After all, the goal of some groups isn't to be paid or make money. Triumverate might make sure it's paladins are provided for when they can, but there's no way they'll be nearly as rich as a Maskarrans whose whole point is to rob and get rich.

    And finally, your reputation in the faction comes into play. This number was tricky for me to work with because I didn't want it to overshadow the faction value too much so that the player gets reputation and stops worrying about how their faction is doing.

    So for this value I took your (reputation + 10000) / 10000 for how much additional multiplier you get. so you in theory get about 1x to 5x pay depending on your reputation which caps out at 50,000 mechanically.

    Again, these values are subject to change at any time as we need.

    Now, even though you get paid every week, you only get 2 weeks worth of back pay missed! The idea is you need to be online to collect as it will update people so many times a day. Creating a char, sticking them in a faction, and logging out won't get you getting pay from now to kingdom come. So make sure you login and play at least every other week


    So here's a real world example.

    Jim is part of the Blackwood Company. Thanks to the dangers around the world, there's been an increase in contracts and Bob, one of the higher ups got the Blackwood some work with a visiting merchant from another land. He's paying a great deal! Faction Wealth Value went up 1000 points to bring it to 3000!

    Jim isn't a high ranking member and has a reputation of 5000. Not bad!

    Pay day comes around, Jim makes 3150! Not bad at all!

    But after the merchant leaves the lands, the faction wealth goes down 2 weeks later and Blackwood suffered an attack that cost them a great deal of resources. Their faction wealth value was now 1250.

    Next payday Jim only gets 1312.

    Base Wealth * Faction Value * Reputation. That's the formula.

    DMs will have all the tools they need for mucking with the economy for events and activity of players.

    Post your feedback and let me know what you all think.

  • #2
    What's not to like. Sounds good.
    Danté Swift: Archmagus and Marshal of Sestra.

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    • #3
      Looks awesome.
      -Arcanist Josirah Caranos, Red Wizard of Thay

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      • #4
        Nice work GBX.

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        • #5
          That looks great!
          It is the greatest of all mistakes to do nothing because you can only do a little - Do what you can.
          Sydney Smith.

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          • #6
            Yay! This'll be awesome for low levels, especially those who are squishy in their youth.

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            • #7
              Amazing idea!

              Now all you need is a Crafter background that gives you extra tick XP! (and some kinda penalty in exchange)
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              • #8
                I think it's great if you are a member of the Legion gang. You do the job, you get paid ... but if you are a member of Eboncoin faction the situation should be a bit different. Those who are the lowest ranked members should pay their tributes to their bosses. I will make an example ...

                Low faction member of the Legion could receive her soldiers pay .. solved ...

                ... but the lowest member of the Eboncoin should pay some tribute to the member up in the pyramid scheme, so the PC's up there could be dependant with their income on their lowest members ... I mean if you have less then 10000 or 3000 faction points you will have to pay ... after that you could receive some pay ... the higher you are, the better the pay. Also if members of Eboncoin don't pay their tribute ... guys like Kirk Cashby would receive lower income and some message, that some members of the Eboncoin didn't pay their tribute. So Kirk could use his influence or greed to put these guys under the pressure and yell at them and make them turn into the bigger earners or demand some suicidal mission. Or squeeze them a bit and get the debt from them in another way. This could be good for some in-faction RP. Or everybody in this faction could be obliged to pay even Kirk, but his pay to the bosses could increase each time ... the lower ranked guy forgot to give her tribute! That would work!

                It could work also for other factions. Blackwood mercenaries could also receive their pay ...
                Kili - mercenary of the Blackwood Company
                Sile - impoverished free merchant, looking for her own happiness
                Lindi - wandering bard and actress

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                • #9
                  GBX... You are amazing.

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                  • #10
                    I agree with everyone else... this is amazing on so many levels. Great job GBX!
                    Cheers!

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                    • #11
                      Up-vote. +
                      Lauan - knight of Thay " I have no fear, and death is merely an inconvenience to me. I do not die until ordered to do so, I do not fall until every last bit of life has left me. I stand tall, proud, a Thayan knight."

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                      "Nobody is more dangerous than he who imagines himself pure in heart, for his purity, by definition, is unassailable." — James Baldwin

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by caterpillar View Post
                        I think it's great if you are a member of the Legion gang. You do the job, you get paid ... but if you are a member of Eboncoin faction the situation should be a bit different. Those who are the lowest ranked members should pay their tributes to their bosses. I will make an example ...

                        Low faction member of the Legion could receive her soldiers pay .. solved ...

                        ... but the lowest member of the Eboncoin should pay some tribute to the member up in the pyramid scheme, so the PC's up there could be dependant with their income on their lowest members ... I mean if you have less then 10000 or 3000 faction points you will have to pay ... after that you could receive some pay ... the higher you are, the better the pay. Also if members of Eboncoin don't pay their tribute ... guys like Kirk Cashby would receive lower income and some message, that some members of the Eboncoin didn't pay their tribute. So Kirk could use his influence or greed to put these guys under the pressure and yell at them and make them turn into the bigger earners or demand some suicidal mission. Or squeeze them a bit and get the debt from them in another way. This could be good for some in-faction RP. Or everybody in this faction could be obliged to pay even Kirk, but his pay to the bosses could increase each time ... the lower ranked guy forgot to give her tribute! That would work!

                        It could work also for other factions. Blackwood mercenaries could also receive their pay ...
                        You have no idea just how much Yevelian is going to agree that Kirk should be paid by lower level eboncoin agents.
                        Danté Swift: Archmagus and Marshal of Sestra.

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                        • #13
                          Part of the pay system is assuming you are doing your expected jobs and reaping reward from it.

                          There's no need to have a tribute system because it's assumed that your higher pay than the lower grunt in your faction takes that into account. Also, having exceptions to a system is annoying to code.

                          Nobody wants to RP manual labor by themselves in a corner, so consider it your "Daytime job" pay. Now when you are actively working for your faction, that can be considered out of the ordinary for your work day and you get rewarded by either reputation or you get faction wealth for everyone. Like if you're a thief and you rob some big mansion for an event. Cool, reputation changes, faction gets an income boost, you get your piece, so does your boss.

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                          • #14
                            I might also suggest a cap on the amount a faction can loose or gain so there isn't an accidental continual perceived favouring in any one or more factions continual rise.
                            Bree - Bookkeeper and diplomat of Exigo.

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                            • #15
                              Hmm, I like the concept. It makes sense that factions would pay a wage. And for pure RP characters who don't want to go into dungeons to earn gold it would be nice to have an income.

                              But . . .

                              I am concerned about inflation. I don't know what tools the devs have to track the gold that flows in to and out of the server economy, but it might be worth watching that for a bit before adding another gold source. In my experience, it seems like gold flows a little more easily now than before the Second Sundering, and without the Faction Donation Box gold sinks, well I think the total gold on the server is going to increase rather quickly and gold will become even less useful.

                              Just a thought.

                              P.S. - Wanna know a great gold sink? Random Rust Monsters and Aurumvoraxes (the old 2nd edition ones that would eat precious metals)! Certainly gets the Armor, Weapons and Jewelry markets moving
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