Class Changes

[Snowmane]

With the changes I was considering trying a sick melee build. I am thinking Fighter 5/Frenzied Berserker 10/Stalwart Defender 6 with improved power attack and great sword/great axe/scythe is gonna mess stuff up.

Any thoughts?

[Cornuto]

Alignment restrictions would prohibit this build,

Stalwart Defender:
Alignment: Any Lawful

Frenzied Berzerker:
Alignment: Any Non-Lawful

From an RP perspective, mixing a class that's all about reckless uncontrolled offense, with a class that's core principle is steadfast defense may be a bit of a stretch.

But its a very good thing to see people taking interest in the non-caster classes!

[Snowmane]

Yeah, I just thought about that. You responded before I could hit the brakes

I am glad that that combo is more or less not gonna happen, it would be a bad thing. People tend to make the build first then squeeze the RP in. I actually started this thread to "shake the tree" as it were.

And hey, I already took interest in a non-caster class!! Check out Maneae!!

[Thief Of Navarre]

Berserkers are nice tbh. They make the barbarians barely tolerable in a group. That extra damage on a power attack is always nice.

[WhistlerBunny]

Speaking of class changes - I am very disappointed that ASoC got changed to Hands only overnight without warning. Totally screwed up one of my char builds, who is now gimped with a couple of levs in it and unable to advance more. Maybe it's just me, but when this type of change happens might be nice to have a system where old chars built upon old rules can continue on their intended path....

[Snowmane]

Have you asked a DM? Seems like something they would help you with as it is not their goal to screw us (though I agree a heads up in advance would have been nice). Maybe you should post in the help section?

[[DM] Grinning Death]

If we gave you guys a heads up, what kind of fun would that be for us? But yeah, post something in the help forum and we'll see what we can do.

[Snowmane]

Uh oh, the flood gate might be opening. From the wiki for Stalwart defender:

More rarely, ex-barbarians take the path of the Stalwart Defender as a matter of pride, to overcome some perceived shortcoming. Such characters often seem to suffer from dual personalities, flinging themselves recklessly into combat one moment, then calmly fending off all attackers the next

Actually, this is kind of like my explanation for Maneae doing Frenzied Berserker and Weapon Master. Even though there are no conflicting alignments for those PRC's, they do seem somewhat at odds when put together. Maneae does these because she is clearly bipolar (just ask Zane!)

[Doubtful]

A DD/Stalwart Defender would still have to bridge that alignment gap without making it look like a forced change for a build.

I've never seen a problem with FB/WM builds. Being able to whip yourself up into a mighty frenzy doesn't mean a character wouldn't have the presence of mind to put in a lot of training with a specific weapon.

[Tamha]

I pulled that text directly from the new IG description, except for adding the "ex-" part. It really is something I wouldn't expect to see on a character in Sundren, but it's still cool flavor text.