Class Review: Druid

[Dragor]

Firstly druids are highly social creatures

Not to defend the monk druid thing...but that statement fully depends on the Deity

[Root]

Second - The guy from the pub who hits things is pretty different from the martial arts expert who has trained his body (not necassarily his mind) to be nigh on superhuman.

Referring to the monk or brawler there?

If brawler, then that's kind of my point.

And unless they have magical assistance, a brawler at max level will still be simply peak human. And no matter how hard they punch, there's no way a single human should concievably be able to match up to a giant.

Sure, I'm bringing realism into an RP discussion, but then there's only so far you get to push things. If a brawler is standing next to, say, a Kensai, a dedicated, masterful warrior, who has utterly harnessed his Ki, and imbued a portion of his soul into his sword, bonding the two in a union of strength, and both of them are similar level...

I think the guy who is still at 'Kick it really, REALLY hard in the shins' should be at an extreme disadvantage.

Especially if we can still wing the 'Well Clerics are given power by Gods, they should be the most powerful class' line.

[Doubtful]

Wait... You're fine with people being able to draw a weapon nearly as tall as them from a scabbard on their back, or swordfights that last more than a handful of seconds, and wizards, and actual gods who can do crazy shit, you're even alright with people punching things so long as they've thought about it really hard...

C'mon...

What's to say the brawler hasn't perfected his haymaker as much as a weaponmaster has perfected his craft, or hasn't got the internal fire of a frenzied beserker?

To take even a single level of an adventuring class marks that person out as something beyond human, no longer "That guy from the pub who punches things" and more "That guy from the pub who once punched a horse in half". As the punchy class monk might say, There are many ways to the top of the mountain.

[Verrath]

Why Druids are cool?

Badgers.

Nuff said

[Thief Of Navarre]

Wait... You're fine with people being able to draw a weapon nearly as tall as them from a scabbard on their back, or swordfights that last more than a handful of seconds, and wizards, and actual gods who can do crazy shit, you're even alright with people punching things so long as they've thought about it really hard...

C'mon...

What's to say the brawler hasn't perfected his haymaker as much as a weaponmaster has perfected his craft, or hasn't got the internal fire of a frenzied beserker?

To take even a single level of an adventuring class marks that person out as something beyond human, no longer "That guy from the pub who punches things" and more "That guy from the pub who once punched a horse in half". As the punchy class monk might say, There are many ways to the top of the mountain.

Haha, thats what I was trying to say!

Im thinking Balrog from street fighter. So fast the weaponmaster is in a coma before he draws his six foot greatsword.

In response to verrath; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

[Verrath]

In response to verrath; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

Obviously

[GodBeastX]

I forget, sometimes, how awesome some things are in Pen & Paper and how badly they transfer to NWN2.

I been DMing a pathfinder campaign and someone rolled a druid with a Badger. That badger has more kills than the half ogre Barbarian with the greatsword!

[Thief Of Navarre]

I forget, sometimes, how awesome some things are in Pen & Paper and how badly they transfer to NWN2.

I been DMing a pathfinder campaign and someone rolled a druid with a Badger. That badger has more kills than the half ogre Barbarian with the greatsword!

It isnt a honey badger. Because a honey badger would be rolling at least D10 to damage and have a constant rage/iron will/DR. similar to an epic barbarian.

*edit* Isnt there a bug which limits the badger to 1D2 damage on NWN2?

[Verrath]

[Root]

Wait... You're fine with people being able to draw a weapon nearly as tall as them from a scabbard on their back, or swordfights that last more than a handful of seconds, and wizards, and actual gods who can do crazy shit, you're even alright with people punching things so long as they've thought about it really hard...

C'mon...

What's to say the brawler hasn't perfected his haymaker as much as a weaponmaster has perfected his craft, or hasn't got the internal fire of a frenzied beserker?

To take even a single level of an adventuring class marks that person out as something beyond human, no longer "That guy from the pub who punches things" and more "That guy from the pub who once punched a horse in half". As the punchy class monk might say, There are many ways to the top of the mountain.

Meh. I get your point, and it's a far better one than mine, just something dosen't click in my head when you've got a guy whose claim to fame is hitting stuff. I mean, looking at it, wizards are just guys who control magic. Priests have Gods backing them. Weaponmasters often have awesome gear and are themselves masters of Ki. Monks master Ki, which is almost on par with Psionics considering some splat books allow them to fire hadoukens with it. The ability to punch a horse in half with absolutely no supernatural powers is like Mike Tyson beating Superman in a fist fight.

Sure, supermans powers are extremely wierd and impossible by real-world science, but Mike Tyson dosen't even have any powers. He's just a man.

That said, I'd imagine if you actually took a Brawler and a Fighter and pit them against an Eldritch Knight and a Cleric, they would get utterly stomped. Not sure if that's game balance enforcing the lore or just being broken in a convenient way.