A different disguise thread

[Gorri]

I have another side to this disguise issue that I would like some opinions and DM/Dev clearing up.

As a character that can cast disguise I find there are all sorts of pitfalls...

Pitfall 1. You cast disguise, make yourself look like the funny white haired farmer... it is a perfect disguise EXCEPT!.. you cannot cast, wield, wear, use, drink, ANYTHING..... USELESS.

Pitfall 2. You cast disguise and choose "look like yourself"... AWESOME - I can use all my groovy stuff!!! hey wait, not only do I look just like me.. I have a big stupid drama mask over my head... In comes the hails of arrows. (This one I would like to break down into A. Do I REALLY look just like me? Do I need to put on funny hats/cloths/ a MASK even? B. do other people REALLY see that big goofy drama mask over my head?)

Pitfall 3. You cast disguise, choose look like yourself, then dress up like a hooded mask power ranger and call yourself Rod "the Hot" to everyone you meet. yeah that's great, but you're wearing a mask and now every Triad, Legioner, and lawful wannabe gets suspicious or even STABBY.

All I want is a way to be disguised, not be drawing attention to myself as I am just walking down the road, and be able to use my stuff. As per the disguise rules you shouldn't be able to even roll spot vs. disguise unless the person is doing something suspicious.... like wearing a mask, sacrificing a chicken, etc. (EDIT - ADDITION -- even if you have reason to spot vs. disguise and you win, I personnly believe you only figure out that the person is in disguise and cannot figure out who they are).

Can it be done? Keep in mind... we are here to RP, we are not here to WIN all the time.

[OnyxTigress]

When you use the option that has the mask over the top of your head, it is something that everyone can see. It's generally good form to realize with the symbol that the person is disguised, and it is also good form to not roll spot checks on someone who is disguised unless you have reason to suspect they are disguised.

MY take on how you look and such varies on which method you use. With the disguise kits, I generally go that my character has probably used some sort of makeup to cover herself up and perhaps something to change her hair color and such. Sometimes it could be good to wear glasses or a hat or something, but I wouldn't say it's a must.

When the disguise self spell is used, I like to think pretty much the same has happened with the change of skin tone and hair color, but that it is done by magical means. And the same about wearing items would apply with the disguise spell as well.

[GodBeastX]

If you come to the attention of people who are suspicious (such as a guard who is watching commoners walking through a city gate), it can be assumed that such observers are taking 10 on their Spot checks

Not drawing attention to yourself doesn't mean you are immune to spot checks if you don't talk or something similar. Sitting at a campfire can be drawing attention to yourself. Walking into a city in front of guards can be considered drawing attention to yourself. But being in a crowd flinging tomatoes and you're doing the same thing, this may not be.

In this case, I think whether you draw attention should be up to the player rolling spot.

NOW, if a player fails spot, their suspicion should probably end there. They failed to see who you are or that you're disguised. They didn't see shit wrong with you.

If people continue to pressure you about your disguise after that, then you are free to call metagaming.

[Thief Of Navarre]

I personally believe the sundren playerbase is generally mature enough not to metagame if your in disguise. Your trying to fool the character, not the player remember?

[FoogooFish]

Keep in mind that wearing the same armor / clothes, trying to use a disguise kit in front of someone who is already very familiar with you, and expecting them not to think something is amiss is rather herp derp.

One thing I personally dislike about this system is that anyone can use a kit or spell, have a very poor or non-existent disguise skill, and everyone else is supposed to play along. To me, having a high Disguise skill means you know how to apply the makeups and hair tints and whatever else you're doing to disguise yourself. It seems a bit naff for me to roleplay my Legionnaire as tralalalala oblivious when Joe Bad Guy comes strutting down through the Crossroads wearing a bright orange wig and purple lipstick, which is how I view people trying to disguise themselves who haven't invested in the skill.

This whole 'I used a kit or spell and I'm disguised lol you can't be suspicious of me' when the character doesn't have the skill to back it seems to be WIN to me, too.

Edit: Gorri, I'm not debating incidents with you in this thread. If you want to discuss yet again what happened, you can PM me.

[Gorri]

I know the incident you are referring to FooGoo and 1. I as not in armor, I was in the assassin garb that 100's of people in Sundren own because it costs a dollar. 2. I had a hood on and though many things would have given the character away potentially, I didn't get any RP out of that encounter at all... I got three whacks in the back and was dead. I don't count that as a win for anyone actually.

[OnyxTigress]

I was there too Gorri, and the reason for it was because they had seen you in the same clothing before and you used the disguise kit right in front of everyone.

[[DM] Grinning Death]

Folks, if you have a help request regarding anything, please post in the help forum and the DM's will assist you in any way they can. Otherwise, please stay on topic.

[Intrepid42]

What about if I'm disguised, polymorphed, HIPs stealthed, invisible, and with stoneskin/spiderskin/barkskin active?

Plus in an entirely different area.

Ack! They can still scry me. Better add Protection from Alignment and the custom potion of non-detection.

*looks around shiftily*

[GodBeastX]

According to SRD polymorph seems to only give a bonus to disguise too XD

[Thief Of Navarre]

According to SRD polymorph seems to only give a bonus to disguise too XD

Hah, really? thats pretty absurd.

[Kaybrie]

It's because disguise isn't just about masking ones physical traits, it's also about acting like a different person, and disguising ones personality traits and ques. And the bonuses implied are made in the DnD system, where a +10 bonus with rudimentary investment in the skill is enough that damn near everyone isn't going to be able to recognize the character with Spot/Sense motive. Either way, changing your shape will still leave a fair amount up for debate when you're trying to play the role of said creature, especially if people know you or are suspicious of you in the first place.

[Azareil]

True Seeing would see through any magical disguise I believe. Such as Alter Self and even be able to know who is shapechanged, polymorphed or in a wildshape.

[OnyxTigress]

When looking at the spell description of disguise self, it says on there that true seeing only negates the +10 bonus that disguise self gives you.

But I am not sure if the same applies with disguise kits.

[Kaybrie]

True seeing does not see through any non-magical disguise.