Concerning the Second Wind.

[The Almight Red]

Concerning the area outside the Second Wind tavern, there seems to be a lot of confusion over whether it's considered a civilized area of Sundren, or not. It might seem axiomatic to some people, but I've heard arguments for both sides.

Even asking DMs, DMs seem to have differing opinions about it, thus far.

Considering this directly translates into how the Legion can enforce certain laws (legally, that is, they could always corruptly enforce things), it'd be nice to know if it was or not.

The biggest thing I've noticed, thus far, is the mask issue. Some DMs think it's fine, some don't. Some of the DMs said people should be able to wear masks there, since the whole point of the new place is it's not so thoroughly policed and enforced. Some other DMs seem to believe it's still not legal.

Whatever the case is, it'd just be nice to have some consensus. Thanks for your time!

[Sir Kharn]

If Kharns there he enforces the law. When he's not there he's off doing it somewhere else...I believe there was another thread recently with information on what hold the law has the further it gets from Sundren (I know there was something said about it but i couldnt find it)

[The Almight Red]

This wasn't meant to admonish any specific Legionnaire or the like. But clarification would help. For instance, it's entirely legal to wear masks in places that aren't deemed as 'civilization.' And I've seen DMs that believed that area wasn't. And I've seen DMs that believe that area was.

If it's not deemed civilization, it's entirely legal for people to wear masks there. It's just why clarification is desired, that's all. If it's deemed illegal to wear masks there, cool! No problem at all. It'd just be nice to know, either way.

[TheBlankStare]

I kind of see the area as a place out in the middle of nowhere where, if there's any law at all, it's the law people bring with them. It seems kind of like a place where Jack's word would hold sway more than any Legionnaire's would.

Kind of like, "Don't break any tables or chairs in a bar fight. If you do you buy 'em. If you kill someone, clean up the mess."

[DM_Equinox]

It's a no-man's land, mostly. A place outside and away from the bigger settlements, a place where the law is considered more of a "guideline".

One point of having this area is to avoid awkwardness with law-enforcing NPCs that will just stand and watch when a crime is commited unless a DM is there. Hence, none of that at the SWI.

[Cornuto]

No it's not a civilized area. It's a lone inn out in the middle of the valley. There is nothing illegal about wearing a mask there. If a PC wants to make a stink over a someone wearing a mask, they of course can but no law is being broken. Same goes for animal companions.

[Fezzik]

Why on earth would anyone put an Inn in the middle of Nowhere? There has to be some reason - I had thought when it was put in, that it was put on what would be the biggest egress/entry road in Sundren (or just off marginally) that goes to and from the Gates to the City. If that is so, it has to have a lot of traffic, and wouldn't it be patrolled by the legion - if it isn't patrolled by the legion and it IS a big road, it does give certain people even more reason to think that the legion isn't doing their job though, so that's a good thing .

Anyway, anyone wearing a mask should at best be taken with suspicion by most sensible people anyway, unless the inn only caters to crazy adventurers and not to common folk... same with companions I'd think.

Just my two cents. I have no problems with there being no patrols regularly there to interrupt crime, but for clarity, the only thing I'd like to know is whether it actually is on that main road out of the valley (as I said, it gives certain groups more ammunition )

[Cornuto]

Didn't say it was in the middle of nowhere, I said it was in the middle of the valley and by itself.

[Saulus]

Didn't say it was in the middle of nowhere, I said it was in the middle of the valley and by itself.

Cornuto is correct. The Second Wind Inn is supposed to be in the middle of the valley, near one of the main roads from the Gate of the Sunderer. Near.

While it is reasonable to expect that the Legion patrols SOME of the road, it doesn't patrol all of it.

You may see a Legion NPC go through the area once in awhile, this is normal, and the amount of Legion PC players counts for the normal regularity of soldiers you would see in this area.

The key thing to remember is, only civilized areas of Sundren uphold the law, Sundren City, Gate of the Sunderer, Aquor, Sestra.

Their ability to uphold the law is dependent on the armed forces available. Sundren City has absolute supremacy in law enforcement, while Sestra may struggle to enforce laws against larger organized groups.

On the middle of the road, between the city and the gates, there technically is 'no law'. Anyone entering the country relies on their own wit or personal wealth to protect them from the privateers existing in Sundren.

If a member of the Legion tried to uphold the law outside of these areas, he would be doing so under his personal authority -- his superiors wouldn't care, as long as he/she can back what they preach. However, grossly exceeding the law in the lawless lands might be frowned upon by their commanders (IE killing someone in cold blood for theft).

Should something cause enough trouble in the lawless lands, this would become a special military matter (The Red Blades, Hands of Mundus, the Evocati), they will deal with it as needed, but anything that persists beyond that would earn the ire of the Wardens, and the Harbingers, who are the enforcers empowered by the state to dispatch any 'problems' outside their borders.

To date no one has met a Warden, and the Harbingers have been encountered sparingly.

[Qinniqtuq Aggaak]

I see the area as a frontier land since it is some distance from routine patrol of the greater law. Kind of like an old west shanty town in a way. Walking around in a mask may not have guards breathing down your neck, but you'll still have suspicious players harrassing the masked figures. I guess they don't call that part of the realms The Savage Frontier for nothing, I hear those damn spittlefist have been harrassing travellers along the route near their lands as well.

Why on earth would anyone put an Inn in the middle of Nowhere?

I think in the old world, there were many inns like that which would spring up along roads where most caravans would hit the end of a days march. Business wise it's a good idea, although there would be risk with the lawless factor.

[GodBeastX]

OOCly: The inn was an invention for the need for people to congregate without Exigo guards over their shoulders. I think it's a positive effect where the type of people you run into can completely vary for RP and the possibility of conflict between players is higher.

Plus it's easier for DMs to drag some players away from there for plots instead of in the middle of a city.

So far I believe it's fulfilled it's intent very well ^^

[Biohazard89]

Personally id say it is like those roadside highway motels...more or less

In the middle of nowhere with only the occasional guard coming through, so id say its perfectly plausible for shady characters to run around there with masks and what not on.

thats my Two cents anyway