Jurisdiction

[Peridan]

Sorry to bring this up, but recently there has been some confusion as to where the Legion holds jurisdiction, and what kind.

For instance, the Exigo I have always thought is ruled almost exclusively by the Exigo itself, only calling in the Legion for matters of extreme importance or when there is a dangerous matter pertaining to the safety of the citizens or the state present.

And recently the main responsibility for certain towns and provinces has been delegated to other powers as well, such as Aquor being watched over by the Thayans, or the Red Blades in Mirakus Post.

If possible, could a DM please provide a clarification?

[Fezzik]

My two cents before they do * cough * I don't mean to hope on, but there are things that clarification would be good for

Exigo has semi autonomy to make up it's own rules correct? But it still follows the LAWS of Sundren?

Sestra is under control and protection of the Corsairs, but if a legionnaire came into the town and started an investigation, it would be like the FBI coming in and nudging aside the fat Sheriff (sorry Cirion ). The Red Blades do the same thing for Mirakus?

The conflict I see is with Red Blades coming in, say to Sestra and saying "Do this! We're the law." How much do enforcement do they have? If a Corsair came into Mirakus and did the same thing he'd be laughed out of town. Cross jurisdiction doesn't exist, does it?

[Saulus]

Sundren City is essentially the only place where the law is upheld to the letter more or less. This is enforced by the Legion.

Other areas outside Sundren are essentially "lawless" in the sense that the Legion is not going to be sending a squad out when there is a report someone is robbed or maimed -- unless it becomes a large 'public' problem.

Of course the Legion will patrol and protect locations of great importance to the city -- the roads leading to Avanthyr and the Gate of the Sunderer.

Wherever the Exigo pops up, they are subject to enforce their own laws and rules, and protect who and what is there. Obviously the laws they enforce and the practises they have must be acceptible by the standards of the Legion (IE they aren't murdering people and stealing their wallets in broad daylight or trying to form a militia to sack settlements)... and obviously the Exigo is going to keep things kosher with the higher ups in the Legion as the Exigo has an HQ operating of Sundren and relies on the Legion to keep trade and law existing.

The Red Blades are a 'special forces' so to speak, that follow their own code of conduct, but in order to be effective they do answer in some form to the higher ups in the Legion... they aren't going to go against the Arbiters that Govern Sundren and the Legion unless there is a grose conflict between the general populace and them.

[Cornuto]

So what's this mean for PCs.

If a Legionnaire PC is in Exigo and witnesses a law being broken, doe she have jurisdiction to do anything about it?

What about Arquor now under the Enclave's protection, or the similarly with Mirakus and the Red Blades?

[Phantom Lamb]

Some of the factions have been given militia jurisdiction over places of importance. Here's a brief run-down:

Sundren City, Port Avanthry, and Gates of the Sunderer:
Bar none, the Legion keeps these place safe. There are seedy areas, but security of the region is a primary concern for the Legion in these areas.

Sestra:
Sundren has given jurisdiction to the Corsairs--supported by the Triumvirate--in patroling this town. Legion soldiers still have the same power here they would in Sundren City, but they'd be less prevelant, less supported, and less liked.

Aquor:
Same deal, but the Thayans have jurisdiction.

Special:
The Red Blades are sworn in as upholders of the law. The Legion recognizes their jurisdiction and help. They have limited enforcement powers: they could do more than a citizen's arrest, but likely couldn't get away with much on private property.

Special II:
There are some rules regarding private property. Exigo has jurisdiction on their own land--but they can't stop a Legionairre from arresting someone there. It's not like modern day law, with rules about needing a warrant. The Legion can do most anything they want, so long as they reasonably think (or can frame!) there is a threat. But, the Legion is limited in number--hence all the special jurisdictions granted.

[Peridan]

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

[Dayledose]

So If I build a legionaire.. I can do whatever I please so long as I can make folk think it's within the law? *Dr. Evil laugh*

[Peridan]

Until you get bitch slapped and court martialed by a superior =)

[Fezzik]

... or cut him in on the deals....

[grant]

So...
who has jurisdiction in the temples?

Ares needs to know who he is going to give grief to for the lack of action against the masked "we are the watcher lady".

[Kaeldorn]

So, what's said is.. even though the Legion has limited influence in some areas, if a PC Legionnaire (thus not subject to the consequences of a lack of numbers, as they can go anywhere - superior's orders don't keep them posted anywhere after all) of even the lowest rank goes to those places he is still at the top of the food chain no matter what (if no higher ranked Legionnaires are around)?

[Saulus]

No, a grunt of the Legion would not have authority at all outside Sundren City, or any of the towns such as Sestra, Aquor, Port Avanthyr. Even then their powers are limited to upholding the laws of the state.

Outside of these places the Legionairre does not have recognizable authority by the state as these areas are considered lawless... however solong as the Legionaire does not exceed the rule of law that presides in Sundren City, his actions here would not earn the scorn of his superiors.

Outside of these civilized areas protection of person and property is left primarily to patriotic factions such as the Red Blades... who again have no tenable authority but their own righteousness to protect the people.

If there is a fugitive or troublesome criminal outside of the lawed, patrolled lands... then this is the case where the Red blades, a merc... or lastly one of the Harbingers would be dispatched to deal with it.

Of course the Triumvirate is also a strong contender in these lawless lands for protecting the innocent... but essentially it is the wild west. If a Banite comes along and kills a Legionaire, or a Red Blade, or someone from the Triumvirate, there is not going to be a formal investigation held in Sundren City... What will likely happen is the group will take care of their own and seek out the perpetrator and if their actions were motivated by loyalty to a cause.

[Phantom Lamb]

Obviously there's some inconsistancy in this idea. Please refer to Saulus' POV over mine where it conflicts.

[Saulus]

Also keep in mind that anyone of high rank in the Legion could carry significant clout, even outside of lawed areas... A batallion of legionairres at their command could mean a nasty ending for someone trying to earn their scorn.

They would only be accountable to the state, which would likely promote any kind of violence to its enemies outside the city walls.

[Dayledose]

Damn, really should have made Vigo a legionaire. *sigh*