Mental combat : or how to really use your head.

[TheBrogueadier]

While mulling over the creation of a new PC at the weekend I had a bit of a think about feats, attacking and all manor of goodness..


Now, we've got the 'Dirty Rat' feat, perfect for the more underhand of us.. But how about another special attack style feat well suited to lowlife scum.

Please bear in mind I know little to nothing about how feats work, so my mechanics might be a little off.. Still, worth suggesting!

“Headbutt”


In a swift move you rush your opponent and attempt to break their face using the awesome power of your own skull.


The attack provokes at attack of opportunity and is a full action (consisting of a step, grab and meeting of minds).


A successful attack dazes the target for rounds equal to half your strength modifier (minimum 1 round) while they clutch their face and scream.


Prereq: Dirty Rat
Attack made at full unarmed AB against reflex save

[Urithrand]

It would be more likely a touch attack than a reflex save, but hell I like this idea. 2D6 + str bonus damage and chance of knockdown!

[Machiavelli]

You want a Liverpool kiss feat?

[TheBrogueadier]

You want a Liverpool kiss feat?

Glaswegian kiss is the term I've normally heard used, but a quick UrbanDictionary check shows a few cities claiming the unfriendliest kiss as theirs.

But yes.. That's what I'm after - Really I want to make an unarmed fighter/brawler that isn't a monk..

I guess suggesting that if the attack does knockdown rather than stun then a "Stick the boot in" feat might be warrented.

"Stick the boot in"

Morals, gentlemanly conduct, the queensbury rules; all these mean nothing to you.
You're a master of kicking people when they're down, stamping on defenseless opponents, cats and anything smaller than you, you gain an additional attack (1d6 dam + STR) per round against any prone opponent.

[Kaeldorn]

... 2d6 + strength bonus? Sorry, but I can't imagine someone's head-butt doing the same damage as a greatsword

Touch attack is a good idea.

I think it should only work on enemies of equal size category (no headbutting vs giants), and allow a fortitude save vs DC 15+headbutter's strength modifier to negate the effects.

Your stick the boot in idea isn't possible. Can only give up to a max of 5 attacks using the weapon in hand.

[Verrath]

Headbutt vs Giant.... it might work if said giant is male...

[The Entity]

Good luck with building an unarmed fighter build.Its really a tough one to build without going epic.There is not much that caters to this build as far as weapons go(guantlets).You would surely need combat expertise and many of the melee focused feats.I also suggest the feats required to take weaponmaster as well.

To bad you can't make an unarmed weaponmaster , then this build would be sweet.
From my own experience , you are better off making a monk , unless this character is strictly for rp and CvsM.A monk of equal level could defeat this build in a fight.I attempted to make a Battlerager with high STR,CON,and decent DEX.I took the focus and specializations in unarmed fighting as well , was still no match for a monk of equal level.We were both level 15.

This headbutt feat might even out the playing feilds for this kind of build though.

[Kaeldorn]

I think the suggestion was a general combat feat like Knockdown. There was no mention of unarmed-only builds.

[Rhifox]

Why not just make it a general 'Cheap Shot' feat instead of specifically a headbutt? Headbutt, knee to the groin, stab to the eye, foot-stomp... all are pretty similar in effect.

[Azulfae]

Eyepoke!

dexterity based attack that gives blindness and slowed for 1 + str modifier bonus amount of rounds.

Headbutt could also give blindness on a crit.

Another move could be the http://www.erikandanna.com/Humor/Fla.../roshamboN.htm
As is seen here performed by Eric Cartman against Pip the Frenchie at the exigo mining camp.

[Handsomeman]

i remember the dirty fighting feat for nwn 1. it was and extra 1d4 damage, but you sacrifice all your attacks for the remainder of the round. so it would be good for low level, but useless in higher levels. just goes to show that if you rely on fighting cheaply, you'll never get better.

[Azulfae]

I used to use that feat more at higher level as a front liner.

There were some things the DM would throw at us that only my first attack could hit with the highest AB, if it ever hit at all.

That's when that feat came in useful cos it mean't I didn't bother with all those other attacks that would miss anyhow but i did more damage with that one well placed and tactically nasty hit.

This was better than power attack because you didn't get the AB penalty for your extra damage.

Very nifty for assassins for their death attack.

Infact, that is the answer to this whole thread, well done handsomeman, Kudos for remembering that feat.

DM's consider re-implementing the Dirty fighting feat from NWN1.

Azulfae stamp of approval!

[Thief Of Navarre]

Its the Dirty fighting feat still in 3.5E?

I think it gives you a Full round action to deal extra damage (i.e. gouging eyes or tearing apart scrotal area).
As for a daze or knockdown as a monk you could RP the stunning strike or knockdown (both of which monks get) as a headbutt or similar attack. That way its all above board, requires no feats and zero scripting

*or just take monk levels and start your quest for perfect pugilism*

[Azulfae]

To be honest, lets turn it on it's head. Violence is violence. If you are going to kill someone, yes! kill someone. You don't go punching and kicking them in respectable parts of the body in a way that is all good and decent.

The whole act is about tearing apart anothers body in a place that is vital and lethal.

Unless you are subdual, all fighting moves and blows are dirty.

That is the way I see it now that I have thought about it better.

Although I still think dirty fighting was a sweet feat

[Thief Of Navarre]

Hehe ^ That!

I like the diversity monks have anyway, makes me wonder why Ive never played a 3.5E monk... o.O