Arrows

[TamurtheLame]

I love archers and have tried a few during my time on Sundren and currently play one - he is a blast when he isn't dead

However, he currently has 18 stags to his name and that is primarily due to the cost of arrows. I was wondering if you could code that if you are an archer or maybe have the feat weapon focus longbow/shortbow, if you could reduce the cost of those nice and need to have arrows?

Most fighter types and such can either get their weapons embued or crafted to do more damage, or buy them, or have a mage or druid put something funky on them; however, with an archer, none of that works.......therefore, we are continually purchasing arrows and are continually broke.

What with trying to get the best EQ, and scrolls to increase AC - since most archers AC are not the greatest, and then buying arrows....it is hard not to want to grind once in awhile just to get enough for that next 99 arrow fix.

I know that there are arrows that provide additonal damage to goblins, giants, and such, but they don't seem to do that much more damage and don't work on everything. Also, the other arrows from the ranger post are much better.

Thanks for your consideration!

[Product of Void]

arrows aren't 1gp for 99? Never play an archer so did not know I know with bullets they are 1gp for them even though it often says more in the stores. When I started a hafling with a sling I bought some.

[c2k]

He's taking about magic arrows. Where if your a melee class you only have to pay once for an imbue, you need to constantly buy magic arrows because they will run out.


IMO, I think it would be more balanced to add crafting recipes for arrows rather than lower the price on them.

[TamurtheLame]

The arrows that I am talking about, that are equivalent in damage (magical bonus damage) to most weapons in Sundren (not counting the buffs you can put on a regular weapon) are around 575 stags for 99.

An archer with many shot or the other feat goes through arrows very quickly and without arrows, is much less and usually dies quickly.

[Kaeldorn]

Arrow prices won't likely be changing.. The normal ones are cheap, and those are the ones you should consider using by default. Special, enchanted arrows are more for those tight fights where you really need the extra edge.

And for the record: +3 greatswords with 2 +1d6 elemental enchantments shouldn't be the standard

[Product of Void]

Hmm.

Archers buy arrows
Fighters buy potions
Wizards buy scrolls

all works out.

Besides I think arrows add to Damage not attack? am I right?

[TamurtheLame]

Well, I will tell Dalrion to use those regular arrows when the hordes are pounding him to much

Also, the arrows I am talking about only do an extra two points of damage, 1pt magical, 1pt bludgeoning I think. It is similar to most of the weapons you can buy around Sundren. However, for basic weapons, when you add basic buffs from mages or druids, it can be much more. And, I had no idea you could have a +3 sword with all that elemental damage created on Sundren - when did that happen?

I understand about prices and I did choose to have an archer knowing it would cost me, but I thought I would ask anyway.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

AND, you forget that archers have to buy potions, and scrolls, and healing kits just like everyone else. We can't wear heavy armor and can't use a shield.

[Kaeldorn]

Oh, you can wear heavy armor.. if you're a wisdom based archer that actually works quite well.

That aside, I can see where you're coming from about the expensive ammunition prices, but the problem therein lies in the way item property costs are handled by NWN. We wouldn't be able to change the price universally unless we rebuilt the store system from scratch, since a +1 to damage on a longsword equals that same bonus on an arrow stack in cost factor.

Those crazy weapons come from the enchantment of the crafting system currently in placed. They'll be changed.

[Product of Void]

Could have one merchant selling just archery stuff and buys nothing? that would make it so not a total overhaul required no?

[Doubtful]

with the current system (if I remember correctly) you can get more of an edge with a bow than you can with an fighters sword.

Elemental bonuses and the like cast onto the bow transfer to the ammunition (atleast they do in the SoZ campaign, I can't speak for them having the same effect on Sundren nor for the upcoming crafting changes).

[CorneliusVonRichten]

I think scrolls and potions last longer then a stack of arrows.

Hmm.

Archers buy arrows
Fighters buy potions
Wizards buy scrolls

all works out.

Besides I think arrows add to Damage not attack? am I right?

[Kaeldorn]

That depends on how dispel-eager your enemies are

To answer your doubts, doubtful: Sundren is currently still using a slightly altered version of the pre-SoZ system. Bows can't be enchanted at all yet.

[CorneliusVonRichten]

Ok, those dispel-eager undead and other creatures aren't funny. It's just a waste of time and gold to fight at all.
This change encourages 'grinding' for gold, because you deprive fighters and most non-casters/low-magic caters of their way of coping with the lack of magical items.

[Thief Of Navarre]

I know from playing Peligiri that investment in archery skills (Archery ranger5/Darkwoodstalker2) in very costly, especially since he has a positive INT score and that results in him being the party medic as well..

700+ gold a stack for bandages on top of arrow costs makes it pretty expensive being a good guy!

[CorneliusVonRichten]

I know from playing Peligiri that investment in archery skills (Archery ranger5/Darkwoodstalker2) in very costly, especially since he has a positive INT score and that results in him being the party medic as well..

700+ gold a stack for bandages on top of arrow costs makes it pretty expensive being a good guy!

Don't forget the barkskin potions a fighter needs and the scrolls a rogue/bard needs to survive, and I am talking about a fighter or a bard/rogue in a party.