Warlock Detect Magic

[Lothoir]

Seeing as the Paladins and Blackguards of the realm now have their respective Detect Evil/Good abilities, I would like to know if Warlocks could get Detect Magic at will as the Paladins and Blackguards can with their detection spells.

Detect Magic (Sp): Beginning at 2nd level, a warlock can
use detect magic as the spell at will. His caster level equals his
class level.

[wangxiuming]

I would appreciate this as well, though I understand that catering to the ginormous number of 2 active warlocks might be a lot to ask.

[Lothoir]

Well I was hoping that since we already have a Detect Magic spell, and a template for a detection spell (from Paladins and Blackguards) it would just be a simple copy and paste deal. If it would be too much trouble, I understand; but I don't understand the intricacies of the NWN2 modding process so it might be more difficult than I had thought.

[sharringtonm]

They could, and its not the lack of wanting to that is stopping it. We got a whole mess of DMs right now, which is great. We even got mappers to create areas too. But I'm the only person covering the scripting, custom content, quests , and conversations aspect, and its not a one man job.
Until I get some help to take the weight off my shoulders, I'm afraid custom content and adjusting classes to PNP is a very very low priority.

That said, if someone wanted to learn to take over quests and conversations from me.... I can rock this server like you wouldn't believe.

[Lothoir]

That said, if someone wanted to learn to take over quests and conversations from me.... I can rock this server like you wouldn't believe.

Writing the quests, or scripting/implementing them?

[sharringtonm]

Theirs not much scripting to quests, Saulus and I have done the majority of it already.. it just involves writing conversations, mapping out quests, creating the items/NPCs for them, and editing a few text files. You do need to know how to use the conversation editor in the toolset though.. No getting away from that.

[Jaeram]

I haven't tried the conversation editor in the NWN2 toolset yet, but I have written some conversations and quests using the NWN1 Aurora engine. If it hasn't changed, or changed much, I may actually be able to help with that.

[Kangleton]

I'm still trying to pump out dialogue, but none of it has been in regards to quests. I'm willing, if it's wanted from my feeble mind.

[sharringtonm]

Heh, I was just about to start mapping out the Detect Magic Feat for Warlocks. Then it struck me, the players are asking for me to make the Warlock PNP? are you really sure you want me to do this? I would suggest every player who plays a Warlock on this server (and only them) looks up a warlock in PNP, looks thru his feats and invocations, then compares it to the NWN2 version, and see which they'd like better.

Here's a hint.. Start with Word of Changing.

Get back to me on this you guys.

[Lothoir]

Well considering there are only two warlocks on the server, I think this might get split 50/50 :P

Mainly on the Word of Changing: In PnP it changes an opponent as a polymorph spell.

For my warlock this would work much better than shapeshifting into a Cornugun however for Alyrian, who's done an excellent job of tying in his fiendish heritage it might not be such a hot change.

I would much prefer warlocks in Sundren to be more closely tied to PnP as it fits my character concept much better.

In PnP warlocks are master artificers, able to create nearly any magical item they can imagine, however as the Sundren crafting system isn't fully complete that would really hamper that aspect of them.

One other thing that might make life more difficult is that Devour Magic requires the warlock touch an opponent to 'eat' the spell. There's also the fact that Foresight wouldn't be such an amazingly spectacular spell anymore.

But, if we're imagining warlocks in NwN would have access to more/most of the invocations in PnP then I think the benefits would greatly outnumber the 'nerfs' as there are some wickedly sweet invocations in PnP (Warlock's Call, Dark Discorporation, Enervating Shadow, Path of Shadow, Repelling Blast, Voidsense, etc.)

Wall of Fire/Perilous Flames having a duration of concentration+2 would also be nice, I think. Making Evard's Black Tentacles/Chilling Tentacles grapple foes would also be very nice.

And that's not to mention the feats that were not included in NWN2 such as Extra Invocation, or Silent/Still/Quicken/Maximize Spell-like Ability, Arcane Mastery)


Overall, I think that Obsidian didn't nerf warlocks so much as they morphed them. In PnP warlocks are all about being support characters (magic item makers and battlefield control specialists) wheras with some of the changes that were made to transition them to computers they became more of artillery pieces that can eventually turn into tanks.

[Lollercide]

A question in my mind would be... What the HELL would you use Detect Magic for? I mean - As far as mechanics go?

Don't get me wrong though.. RP wise it could be VERY handy and fun to use! I believe that warlocks should be able to and are encouraged to use this ability. Even if it doesn't exist as a feat or ability you can use IG, DMs will likely respond appropriately if you RP it.

I slowly stopped relying on the Detect Evil game mechanic myself and RP it out for fun descriptions from DMs more often than not. So.. Even without it having an IG function or ability - RP it out and see what happens!

I could be wrong with these assumptions, so DMs correct me if I am, but it seems legit enough!

[wangxiuming]

If it's what the other warlock players (Richard being the only one I know) and the server want, I wouldn't be opposed to converting warlocks to PnP. The only problem for me would be how to adjust Phaedriel's storyline.

[sharringtonm]

Why adjust the story line? Use Dark Discorporation. Talk about an out of body experiance.

Hano: You'd actually have to use detect magic on this server to understand the thrill of castign it on a group of people.. and picking out who the badass is among them cause hes glowing brighter then the sun in magical auras.... Or something like that. Ask the casters, they'll tell you how much fun it can be.

[wangxiuming]

Why adjust the story line? Use Dark Discorporation. Talk about an out of body experiance.

What does that do? =[ I have fairly little knowledge of either pen or paper.

[Lothoir]

DARK
DISCORPORATION
Dark; 8th
One with the powers of darkness,
you learn to abandon your body. When
you use this ability, you becomes a
swarm of Diminutive, batlike shadows
that fi lls two 10-foot squares (or eight
contiguous 5-foot squares, shapeable as
you desire). The duration of this ability
is 24 hours.
In this swarmlike form, you gain the
following characteristics and traits.
—Abilities: Your Strength score
drops to 1, but your Dexterity score
increases by 6.
—Armor Class: You lose any natural
armor or armor bonuses to Armor
Class. You gain a +4 size bonus to AC,
and a defl ection bonus to AC equal to
your Charisma modifi er.
—Movement: You gain a fl y speed
of 40 feet with perfect maneuverability.
You can pass through openings
a Diminutive creature could pass
through.
—Swarm Traits: You are not subject
to critical hits or fl anking, and you
are immune to weapon damage. You
cannot be tripped, grappled, or bull
rushed, and you cannot grapple an
opponent. You are immune to any spell
or effect that targets a specifi c number
of creatures, except for mind-affecting
spells and abilities. You take half
again as much damage (+50%) from
spells or effects that affect an area.
Unlike other swarms of Diminutive
creatures, you are not vulnerable to
wind effects. If reduced to 0 hit points
or less, or rendered unconscious by
nonlethal damage, you instantly return
to your normal form in a square of your
choice that was formerly covered by the
swarm.
—Swarm Attack: You gain a swarm
attack that deals 4d6 points of damage
to any creature whose space you occupy
at the end of your turn. Your swarm
attack strikes as a magic weapon of your
alignment.
—Distraction: Any living creature
vulnerable to your swarm attack that
begins its turn in a square occupied
by your swarm must make a Fortitude
save or be nauseated for 1 round.
Spellcasting or concentrating on spells
within the area of your swarm requires
a Concentration check (DC 20 + spell
level).
—Possessions: All of your worn or
carried equipment and items become
nonfunctional, absorbed into your new
form.
You can take only move actions (so
you cannot use other invocations)
while under the effect of dark discorporation

A really fun spell, but not sure if Phaedril would be satisfied going from a Cornugun to a bat.