Class/Race Restriction..

[CPBailey74]

Okay, just a thought on this as well.
Being as there are class and level restrictions, I would think it is time to put a cap on the Favored Souls. They are supposed to be like Divine Prodigies and such (yada yada), but there are a ton of them. I would think them to be a bit on the rare side? And as of right now as I have just checked the Statistics on the server (Now now, not when you read it now) there are 32. Just thought that was kind of high.
In which case, I think all 3 classs (Sorcerors, Favored Souls and Warlocks) should have restrictions to them. Not that any are really that much more of a prodigy then the other (do not really know since I do not really like any of the 3), but they all sort of gain their power as a natural ability, and again..that would lead to a lot of natural ability..
Just throwing my thoughts around.

[wangxiuming]

I think there used to be a restriction on Favored Souls, but Saulus/Devs decided to remove it...

[sparkeh]

Yes they were restricted before.

Sorcerors

Sorry to be so anal but...its sorcerer

Favoured Souls I can agree on but why sorcerers?

[ThePaganKing]

The thing you don't understand is the statistics do not really protray what is going on in Sundren. The statistics may say 32; however, there are probably only a couple being played right now.

I only knew of two before and they both have moved on. Are there more out there, maybe, but I hardly think there are 32 on the server now.

And, why have a restriction on them? Because you don't like them or the natural ability? I don't understand your reasoning on limiting them or how you would limit them? They can only make 12th level or something?

[Chiangtao]

He's saying he believes it is unreasonable that the gods would have so many favored souls among we mortals. Remember though, PCs represent the cream of the crop, that upper 1 percentile of folks who can accel as adventurers. They are not commoners. So among adventurers, yes they seem rather common. But among the world as a whole, maybe not so much.

[Jaeram]

Yeah I made an evil wayward soul about a week and a half ago, maybe two weeks now, and I haven't played him since So I know he shouldn't really be counted. Now concerning limiting them, I think what he means is that since the ability comes naturally, for instance the whole dragon blood thing for sorcerers and some bards, because of that they should be rare. I can understand sorcerers because dragons don't normally mate with humans and I don't think there's some dragon out there just popping out human babies left and right and sending them all to Sundren. On the other hand the classes who study to get the power, i.e. wizards etc. who cares how many of those there are because they actually could be anywhere, there's nothing inherently or naturally special about them.

[CPBailey74]

Yeah, what he said.
I know that the stats are not really accurate, but would think that would go with some of the restricted races & class as well. Only listing 3 Warlocks, and as stated before I never really messed with them since I really do not understand them, but I do not recall seeing any (at least not that I know) and there is only 3 of them. If going with the percentile thing, would that not apply to it all? Races, yeah, do not need to have 50 billion drow running around because that is the new big bad thing as with the other less common races (other then elves, dwarves, humans, halflings).
It isn't really being anal if you think about it though. All 3 classes are based on an inate ability. Now if you have a bunch of people running around with inate abilities, would it really be that common? Personally, the classes I would put amount restrictions on and why would be:
Favored Soul - Inate Ability, do not think it should be that common.
Bard - Would that many bards be in one area competing? Or just using them for the bonus is not quite RPing..
Druid - Unless all of the same order, would not think many to be in one area.
Monk - Again, would not think many monks to be in one area unless under training at a school.
Sorcerer - Inate ability, again do not think it would be that common.
Warlock - Inate ability, same as above.
Harper Agent, Shadow Thief & Red Wizard - Special classes, but is restriction on them already.
Candlekeep people - Unless all in for study.

The rest I would see as do-able for the most part. If you really want to get anal about things though, would there be that many mages about? Generally wizards take 1-2 students, aweful lot about.
Anyway, this was more a matter of opinion. Something I would think to make it more realistic in a environment.

[rustediron]

What you say makes sense, but I don't think you could put that into practice.

[Saulus]

I'm honestly never going to allow any players have a say in what races/classes we restrict. I rather beat my head off a table repeatedly.

[Jaeram]

Orrick is supposed to be from Candlekeep (from a RP perspective he is not the Arcane Scholar of Candlekeep class) but I don't really understand the thinking on that one. I don't know about other people from Candlekeep but the reason Orrick is travelling instead of just residing in Candlekeep is because one of the requirements to enter Candlekeep is to bring some book of knowledge with you to add to the library, Orrick was an orphan and found by his master (who was studying at Candlekeep) so to pay them back he is trying to write a book of his own studies so that later he can return to Candlekeep to give them the book.

All in all though with the amount of scholars and mages that pass through Candlekeep (it is essentially THE library) I would not really think that it would be odd seeing mages from Candlekeep in a land that was accessed through magical means and founded by a magical practitioner. Many of the mages may be here seeking to find lost knowledge from the founder because he seems like he would have been quite powerful and wise.

[Peridan]

Well, that'd be kind of boring, everyone being fighters, clerics, mages, and rogues. Talk about old school. And remember that Sundren is kind of a melting pot for people all around the world, as in such cases as Jaeram ^

[CPBailey74]

Aye, and I do not think you should do what people want. You guys made the server and I am sure that you had an ideal setting/cast on how you wanted, at least to an extent (always room for expansion). I love the server, and it is great being able to interact and play with other people in a more realistic setting. Twas more just another one of my scattered opinions and generally how/why I pick the classes I do and if I can not find a way to fit them into things one way or another I delete them and try something else.

[Maevan2]

Most people are not able to tell whether you are a cleric or a favoured soul. So why should you care? Maybe there are too many spellcasters around, but i never cared about the difference between sorcerer/wizard pr cleric/favoured soul.

[CPBailey74]

As I said before, it was more a matter of my opinion. It was not a matter of if I could tell if they were a Cleric or Favored Soul / Mage or Sorc..was more the source of it to what I was refering to. I do think of it as a dump off area for a wide variety of types of people, just as it would be for Waterdeep or Neverwiner, etc. Unless there was a call to aid or something..

[Silas North]

This is a pretty good point. The innate ability classes are not really any stronger or weaker (IMO) than the 'non-innate' equivalent classes, but realistically they would probably be less common in Faerun. It is just like what is already being done with the rare races, even the half-drow (who is not an ECL race, but still quite a rare sight).

I think things are pretty good where they stand at the moment though. There are far more wizards and clerics than there are sorcerors and favored souls. True, it was not your point to COMPARE the numbers of the classes, but I do not think the numbers of the inntate classes has reached a point to be too worried about it affecting story development or the 'fantasy-realism' (as I often call it) Also, many of them are probably travelers from another land, attracted to Sundren via rumors, wanderlust, etc. This allows for quite a bit of flexability in that regard.

As for your mention of the other classes (monk, druid, etc.) Good points made all around. I am kind of curious to see what everyone else thinks about that.