Wand price slashing?

[Dark presence]

Is there any chance of wand crafting costs being slashed in the future? Just a cursory look at scroll prices to wand prices shows its nearly half as much to buy 50 scrolls of stoneskin instead of buying a wand of stoneskin (with 50 charges). And the prices for healing spells on wands is far worse, compared to potion or scroll prices.


Now I don't know how the prices go for potion brewing or scroll making, but I believe those prices are pretty well higher than the store prices.
Wands though, most of the prices are just ridiculous, far too much to even consider using most wands given Sundren's economy, as you can see in my thread in the trading post forum.

[rustediron]

All the prices are relative (I believe) to the caster lev, so you buy a wand off me, your stoneskin lasts longer

But yes, wand prices definitely SHOULD go down, at least for creation, now that the helmites have been fixed (dammit!) my purse is feeling a little light.

Anyway, this is all just random rantage, feel free to ignore me.

[Saulus]

I've increased the crafting costs because there was some minor exploitation, the prices will stay at their current values until I've had time to properly assess balancing it.

But yes, wand prices definitely SHOULD go down, at least for creation, now that the helmites have been fixed (dammit!) my purse is feeling a little light.

Remember that it constitues an exploit, and exploitation we have some very firm rules about located in our FAQ. We have very low tolerance for it.

[rustediron]

I know, people were getting way too rich - I was actually thinking of saving up for that spear
ah well. It was good fun while it lasted.

[Wyvern76]

All the prices are relative (I believe) to the caster lev, so you buy a wand off me, your stoneskin lasts longer

This statement is wrong. All created Wands and Scrolls have a fixed cost and caster level.

Format is GP cost(Caster level)/GP cost(CL)/etc.
X’s mean the spell is broken or unavailable for that item.
?’s in the CL slot indicate a lack of information.
All CL’s are static. I tested with a Lv. 5, 10, 15 and 20 crafter to make sure.
All spells missed in the list are at the end.
Dancing Kirby!(>”)> <(“<)
WARNING! Some of these may have changed due to updates.


Spell_Name_______creation cost in gp____potion/wand/scroll


Acid Fog X/X/X
Acid Splash X/375(1)/12(1)
Aid 300(3)/4500(3)/150(3)
Amplify 250(5)/3750(5)/X
Animate Dead X/45000(15)/1500(5)
Assay Resistance X/X/X
Aura of Glory 700(7)/X/350(7)
Aura of Vitality X/X/2275(13)
Aura versus Alignment X/X/X
Awaken X/X/1125(9)
Balagarn's Iron Horn X/10500(7)/350(7)
Bane X/3750(5)/125(5)
Banishment X/X/2625(15)
Barkskin 1200(12)/18000(12)/600(3)
Battletide X/X/1125(9)
Bear's Endurance 300(?)/4500(?)/X
Bestow Curse X/15000(11)/500(11)
Bigby's Clenched Fist X/X/4000(20)
Bigby's Crushing Hand X/X/4500(20)
Bigby's Forceful Hand X/X/2250(15)
Bigby's Grasping Hand X/X/1975(17)
Bigby's Interposing Hand X/X/1875(15)
Blackstaff X/X/3000(15)
Blade Barrier X/X/X
Bless 100(2)/1500(2)/50(2)
Bless Weapon 300(6)/4500(6)/150(17)
Blindness/deafness X/4500(3)/150(3)
Blindsight X/X/X
Bombardment X/X/4000(20)
Bull's Strength 1500(15)/22500(15)/750(3)
Burning Hands X/3750(5)/125(2)
Call Lightning X/22500(10)/750(5)
Camouflage 250(5)/X/125(5)
Cat's Grace 1500(15)/22500(15)/750(3)
Cause Fear X/2250(?)/75(?)
Chain Lightning X/X/3000(11)

[Saulus]

Sundren has modified crafting costs, the above do not apply.

[Wyvern76]

All the prices are relative (I believe) to the caster lev, so you buy a wand off me, your stoneskin lasts longer

This claim is still false, as the caster leve of wands is Fixed and independant of the caster.

[Xanderleo]

Is there any chance of wand crafting costs being slashed in the future? Just a cursory look at scroll prices to wand prices shows its nearly half as much to buy 50 scrolls of stoneskin instead of buying a wand of stoneskin (with 50 charges). And the prices for healing spells on wands is far worse, compared to potion or scroll prices.


Now I don't know how the prices go for potion brewing or scroll making, but I believe those prices are pretty well higher than the store prices.
Wands though, most of the prices are just ridiculous, far too much to even consider using most wands given Sundren's economy, as you can see in my thread in the trading post forum.

One of the main flaws in Obsidian's implementation of this feat is the seemingly random caster level applied to a wand. Wand of Mage Armor? 1500, CL2. Wand of Barkskin? 18,000 CL15. Sure, it's nice for a 3rd level caster to make a wand that casts a spell at 15th level (if they can afford it), but it causes a problem lowering all the prices, because the prices are set by that caster level.

Obviously the caster level should be completely dependant on the wand maker, but it's not, it's per spell.

[rustediron]

This claim is still false, as the caster leve of wands is Fixed and independant of the caster.

I know the caster level is fixed, I was saying the cost of wand is relative to the level of the spell and the fixed caster level. As such, if you buy a ridiculously high priced wand of stoneskin as opposed to a more resonable 50 scrolls, the likelyhood is that the wand has a higher caster level than the scroll. Hence, the wand will probably last longer than the scrolls.

Just for clarification :P

Personally, though I would like a wand price slashing, that's only because it would make it easier for me xD
Balance-wise, I think the current system is fine.

[Dark presence]

Actually it doesn't have a higher caster level than the scroll, unless the caster level is different in Sundren for some reason, but both were level 7 when I ran through my list. Of course what Saulus said may still apply, and its not so much more expensive on Sundren, but that kind of experimentation is still far too expensive to actually do here (especially when Serena still can't afford a single piece of equipment that raises AC).

[rustediron]

lol, get UMD and mage armour wand, that pretty much emulates magical equipment as it gives you +1 in ac nat, armour, dodge and deflection.

You know who to buy that from, I trust