First World Problem (Arcane armor Feats)

[Talleyman99]

Just something I noticed with both the arcane armor feats. The first needs light armor Prof, and gives 10% reduction to spell failure neat Cool I like it. My issues is with the second one.

Arcane Armor Mastery requires, Medium armor Prof. Then gives you 20%. Now thats nice and all but after looking all over then entire server there is Zero normal medium armor that has anything less then 25% spell failure chance.

So right now if you are interested in these feats you are using 3 to 4 feats (for those trying to stay sorc or wiz) To only wear light armor cause chain shirt is 20%.

So my suggestion is can we just drop the Medium armor Prof requirement and accept that casters will only wear light armor? That still makes it a 2 to 3 feats to wear armor and cast spells.

[Kaybrie]

Mithral reduces spell failure penalty.

With the feat you can wear Mithral Full plate and have an arcane spell failure chance of 5%

[The Butcher]

I agree that there is little reason for arcane casters to take Medium Armor proficiency when they will likely only be using Mithral Breastplate. It's a choice between Mithral Full plate (5% arcane spell failure and 11 AC) versus Mithral Breastplate (10 AC with no arcane spell failure). The choice is pretty easy, but you have to take that useless feat in order for this to happen.

Regardless, I believe the heavy requirements are in attempt to keep buff and steamroll casters at a minimum. In the very least, the requirements are meant to bottleneck these builds so they cannot also be effective crafters and casters.

As it is, buff and steamroll casters are still incredibly powerful when compared to other classes. For example, there is a particular Sorceror / Favored Soul / Mystic Theurge that can obtain higher AC and Higher AB than almost any person on the server, while being able to cast divine and arcane spells at a decent DC.

[crawmorr]

I've been playing an armored caster for a while , and the "Still Spell" feat works great , it gives 0% of spell failure even with shield equipped , it use only a spell slot higher to memorize it(or cast for sorc), only the nine circle spell cant be casted on Still Spell . About the spell failure percentage , doesnt matter if it is 0,00001% or 99% , it will fail , and that could be cost your life (or your pride) .So anything that helps to reach the 0% spell failure are welcome.

[Kaybrie]

As it is, buff and steamroll casters are still incredibly powerful when compared to other classes. For example, there is a particular Sorceror / Favored Soul / Mystic Theurge that can obtain higher AC and Higher AB than almost any person on the server, while being able to cast divine and arcane spells at a decent DC.

I'm gunna just post this again because it is Gabrielle's life.

[Torgar]

I'm in favor of removing Medium Armor Proficiency from the requirement list. I don't care if some Sorc/FS/ Theurge can be a billy bad ass, because I don't base anything on outlying, min/max builders. Using them as a baseline, or a reason for NOT doing something is absurd to me. 95% of casters would just take the feats to cast in light armor, that's it. As it stands, a buff and steamroll build would just buff without armor on, then throw on the armor and then go to town. The people taking this feat are doing it so they can just wear armor, and be able to RP they are trained to do so. These are metamagic feats they are sacrificing to be able to just wear light armor without failure. And it takes 3 feats to do it. For most people, that is almost half your total feats. For light armor.

Take away medium armor proficiency, they already sacrifice enough for it as is.

[thaelis]

Anyone who wants to cast in light armour, e.g. a chain shirt can have a mithril shirt (10% sp. failure) crafted relatively easily for less than 20K.

For anything heavier you would NEED the medium armour proficiency anyway, so it's a moot point. Yes, for a mithril breastplate you are only getting +1 AC in exchange for a single feat, but that's actually more than fair. After all, Dodge is +1 vs. a single enemy. Two weapon defense is also +1. Fighter custom feats are also +1.

EDIT: My main was a Swash/EK for most of my time here. If he'd been alive during the current era he would have been so much more badass. Trust me, the new feats as they are are already awesome!!

[Talleyman99]

Anyone who wants to cast in light armour, e.g. a chain shirt can have a mithril shirt (10% sp. failure) crafted relatively easily for less than 20K.

For anything heavier you would NEED the medium armour proficiency anyway, so it's a moot point. Yes, for a mithril breastplate you are only getting +1 AC in exchange for a single feat, but that's actually more than fair. After all, Dodge is +1 vs. a single enemy. Two weapon defense is also +1. Fighter custom feats are also +1.

EDIT: My main was a Swash/EK for most of my time here. If he'd been alive during the current era he would have been so much more badass. Trust me, the new feats as they are are already awesome!!

Mithril Brest plate become light armor, so there is no need for medium armor Prof. If you have light armor Prof You are good to go. That said it becomes a light armor with 20% spell failure Or equal to a chain shirt (better stats of course). The feats are great I love them, but as they stand right now you are taking medium armor Prof for zero reason, you are not going to wear armor that gives you spell failure if you've taken these feats there is no reason to.

The only technical medium armor on the server that would have 20% SF is hide and such, but do to a long ago tweek to druids to stop them from wearing metal armor, that too is in the light category on Sundren. So being a Sorc with out Muti classing you are sinking 3 of your normal feats into this ability and a wizard is sinking 4 I think thats just a steep price to pay for it is all.

[thaelis]

Oh, mithril breastplate is light armour! That is very cool. I didn't realise, as my Light armour characters always have high Dex so just go for the shirt.

In that case yeah, there would be a reasonable number of people who would be taking the Med armour proficiency for no reason, essentially taking 2 feats for +1 AC and getting screwed.

My bad, sorry!