Arcane Trickster HD and skill points

[Farmboy2003]

In light of the hd and skill point changes to the wizard and sorceror, may I suggest something akin to the AT class? Like d6HD 5/6 skillpoints level?

Or perhaps remove some of the skill reqs for the class? Or decrease the spell level or SA req?

or something completely different as many pws have done; give the AT medium bab?

taking AT over pure wizard no longer benefits from such a great boost in skillpoints. The changes to wizard are great but they make some prcs a bit pale-looking

And right now arcane trickster will have less Hp than both a pure wizard and rogue, when it earlier had something in between. Medium BAB would give it different edge imo

there may be other relevant PrCs that would benefit from this as well?

[bipolar bear]

I like the sound of this greatly. d6 hp and medium BaB. I think that would be very fitting.

[Valhalla]

Just as a note, I've been told Sundren hasn't implemented to the fix to spells that allows you to actually use sneak attack with them. So ATs are pretty much the height of uselessness as their only real purpose in the base game is to make excessive use of Scorching Ray, Disintegrate, and other such high damage rays that would then get Sneak Attack damage added.

If Sundren actually has implemented this, please don't shoot the messenger, just parroting what I've been told by a handful of folks.

[Farmboy2003]

wracking touch

[BubbaCornbread]

I do agree that Arcane Trickster is a very weak class and could use a bit of a "touch-up" to compete with the Pathfinder changes.

I think with a some polish they could be fun to play.

[gbbishop]

Arcane Trixter

How about some love for this (should be amazing class)

The Pre reqs. are hellish but the abilities are almost laughable.

Touch attack lesser dispel... i can't for the life of me see that effective.

Here is what I am thinking: (open to other thoughts)
1. add a ray spell (ranged touch) that would also convey sneak attack damage.
2. Fix pilfer. up the bonuses and/or make it dispel something to make it not worthless. or replace it entirely with something trixy and dodgey like defensive roll...
3. What about giving 10th improved evasion?
4. I would for sure up the skill points/level.

I just think that a PRC that you can only enter upon 9th or 10th (if sorc) level should have a bit more... um prestige...

[Phantom Lamb]

Why do you care? Dwarves make terrible ATs (kidding! )

[Farmboy2003]

Here's a suggestion: Why don't you go an reply to the fairly new post i made about suggestions for the arcane trickster, in the suggestion forum?

[Farmboy2003]

there we go. I apologize for the excessive amount of irony.

[bipolar bear]

I think sence there is an incredible amount of investment level wise that perhaps maybe some tweaking may be in order here. I think bringing their hit dice up to d6 would be a good start. I believe that a medium BAB would not be unreasonable, they do take a hugh hit with this just by having a bear minimum of 5 lvl s of wizard ( six if sorc). and a bump up in skill points would be appropriate due to their roguish nature.

but this is just my thoughts.

[gbbishop]

Why do you care? Dwarves make terrible ATs (kidding! )

Ha I am gonna make a shield dwarf sorcerer trixter and you will all bow before my runty power!

MUAHHAHAHA... hey! I'm down here!!!

[gbbishop]

Here's a suggestion: Why don't you go an reply to the fairly new post i made about suggestions for the arcane trickster, in the suggestion forum?

Searched, but did not find anything... apparently my search was hasty. Thanks for moving my post, magical admin who so ever you are.