Lore Potions & Knowledge skills

[Orlitoq]

Presently drinking a Lore potion only temporarily increases a character's Lore Skill, which makes perfect sense... Even so, I have a question:

Would it be possible for the Lore Potion to be modified so that it also temporarily increase the other Knowledge Skills too?

[[DM] Grinning Death]

That just sounds like someone doesn't want to drop points into knowledge skills. =P

I'm not a huge fan of the idea, tbh. Knowledge skills are specific areas of lore that require an amount of training to use, and I'd prefer not to have a click + button for them during DM events.

[Lotus]

I think we like it where it is. Is there a PnP equivalent to a potion of knowledge?

[Orlitoq]

That just sounds like someone doesn't want to drop points into knowledge skills. =P

This is not entirely an accurate assessment, as I have invested in knowledge skills for my characters. I would also expect that upon implementation of something like this the use of a potion would not circumvent the necessity of being trained in the skill for the potion to augment it, or allow a check.

In that manner the potion would only increase the abilities of those who have already invested in the skills, rather than giving just anyone an increase in a specialized area of information.

[wangxiuming]

Sundren brand adderall?

Gotta agree with GD and lotus. Imho, it stretches my suspension of disbelief that you could quaff a potion and suddenly have knowledge, know more about things, or spew facts you previously were not aware of, even if you were already learned in the subject.

[Orlitoq]

Is there a PnP equivalent to a potion of knowledge?

To be honest, I have no idea. I also have no idea if there is a PnP equivalent to a Potion of Lore. If that sounds snarky that is not my intent... I honestly do not know if there is a PnP equivalent to a Potion of Lore.

It just strikes me as odd that while I may master all things relevant to knowledge of the Plains, Religions, or Nature, this little drink helps me understand other general things yet remains useless towards those specialties.

[sonuvalich]

I agree that it makes no sense, but there are already items in the game with worn bonuses to skills. So there is precedent!

[Orlitoq]

Sundren brand adderall?

Gotta agree with GD and lotus. Imho, it doesnt make sense that you could quaff a potion and suddenly have knowledge, know more about things, or spew facts you previously were not aware of, even if you were already learned in the subject.

Yet Wang, that is exactly what both Potions of Lore and Potions of Fox's Cunning presently do...

[Lotus]

I was being rhetorical. The Potion of Lore doesn't exist in PnP. There is no potable that suddenly gifts you with knowledge. Fox's Cunning simply enhances your mental acumen, better enabling you to call on the information you've already acquired and otherwise sharpening your thinking tool.

"Lore" is a NWN construct designed to help non-arcane PCs identify items, and that's all it was ever intended to be.

[wangxiuming]

I never interpreted lore as knowledge. Maybe that's not correct, but i always thought lore was a character's skill in deciphering how things work and identifying what they do. Potions of lore ( in my opinion ) dont grant knowledge, just your ability to do the above.

Similarly fox's cunning increases your overall intelligence and ability to apply knowledge that you already have. But, should it really give you new knowledge? Not in my opinion. Otherwise, do you lose those facts that you just rattled off when the potion wears off? What would be the reason?

[Orlitoq]

I was being rhetorical.

Ah, well it may have saved us both some thyme then if your second post were part of your first.

Perhaps then I am just not yet used to some of the skills you have added to this server and still of think of Lore as the catch all Knowledge skill for NWN2 rather than just a tool for the identification of items. In that light changing a potion of Lore does seem rather silly. My pardon.

[Lotus]

We live in a world in which we can observe the effects of stimulants and depressants, sleep, diet, and overall wellness on a human's capacity to think and perform tasks. The Fox's Cunning potion is not difficult to fathom.

[Talleyman99]

See I say we get rid of the Lore skill we have these great knowledge skills, move the identifying items over to knowledge arcana. That could be a lot of work though just so we dont have a pesky Lore skill anymore.

[Lugwy]

Speaking as your resident ID bot (Identify is cheating ), Talleyman may actually be on to something.

[Lotus]

See I say we get rid of the Lore skill we have these great knowledge skills, move the identifying items over to knowledge arcana.

That's actually an epic usage of the Spellcraft skill.