Rep change?

[Starrizer]

Mathematically speaking - you can make off:
The Guard Tower near Whurest combined with One flag from Ixis a total of 110 reputation give or take.

Now: Starting at 1000 for your appropriate faction, you need in order of rank:

2000, 4000, 9000, 19000, 34000, 49000. (1000 subtracted to each based off the 1000 start).

If you were to play say an average player of the server: 6 - 7 hours, (These are the more present RPer's.) you would find that to be around 330 Rep. I would factor in rep DM's give, but that's a unfortunate variable that can't be added due to it based on kindness of DM.

SO!

Days needed to play as stated with 330 Rep a day is:

Rank up:

1 3000: 6 (+1 Capture of either) Still 6 basically.

2 5000: 15 (+1 Capture of flag) So 16.

3 10,000: 30 (+1 capture of flag and possibly tower.) So 31.

4 20,000: 57 (+2 captures of flag.) So 58.

5 34,000 103 (+1 Capture of flag) so 104.

6: 49,000 148 (+1 of both flag and tower) so 149.

With these numbers; I'd suggest players would have to be devout to the server, and everyday proper scheduling for the game alone if they wished to become anything beyond the fourth rank... If they get there before leaving (not saying they will) or creating another character to enjoy.

May I suggest we lower the requirements a bit to make it more reasonable for people? Or should we leave it be? ^^ Just an idea!

Or perhaps lower the amount of the lower ranks, and then finally the last two keeping them the same?

Or even give a repeatable quest for 100 rep for players at 18 or such for each faction, that way we can minimize it to 4 hours play time for some?

Just throwing ideas out! I could sounds like an idiot right now! Personally I like it the way it is, but I've found the days needed discouraging at the same time!

[thaelis]

Well....compared to the old system the rate you rise in rank is literally phenomenal now.

Rep used to be more or less DM-granted only. I played pretty much every day for a year and only just made it to Magus in the Hands (5000 rep).

Don't complain or they might bring back the old system!

[[DM] Grinning Death]

And that's exactly the way we like it. The entire point of the rep system is to offer benefits to players who devote time and effort into their factions. We purposely made it difficult to 'grind rep' past 10k, because we do not think anyone who isn't interested in putting in the time, effort, and dedication to the server should be allowed to lead a faction.

That being said, all the faction gear will cap at a requirement of 10k. So, given a few months according to your calculations (albeit less than 330 a day), you can have all of the mechanical benefits of a faction. Not unreasonable, I think.

[Shadechild]

I don't exactly understand the check system, but you can basically get 330 Reputation a day from those two points?

The Guard Tower near Whurest combined with One flag from Ixis?

What level do you need to be to do these two places?

In the list, is that ...

6 days for rank one? and 16 days for rank 2? I don't get it =x

Rank up:

1 3000: 6 (+1 Capture of either) Still 6 basically.

2 5000: 15 (+1 Capture of flag) So 16.

3 10,000: 30 (+1 capture of flag and possibly tower.) So 31.

4 20,000: 57 (+2 captures of flag.) So 58.

5 34,000 103 (+1 Capture of flag) so 104.

6: 49,000 148 (+1 of both flag and tower) so 149.

[Jhickey]

And that's exactly the way we like it. The entire point of the rep system is to offer benefits to players who devote time and effort into their factions. We purposely made it difficult to 'grind rep' past 10k, because we do not think anyone who isn't interested in putting in the time, effort, and dedication to the server should be allowed to lead a faction.

That being said, all the faction gear will cap at a requirement of 10k. So, given a few months according to your calculations (albeit less than 330 a day), you can have all of the mechanical benefits of a faction. Not unreasonable, I think.

I could not agree with this more, I love the way the rep system is. It has taken me 3 years to get Datton where he is in rep. Within that time I have enjoyed almost every moment of the RP, the banner run, and event. I would like to say that unless you consistently have someone to do a high level banner run with, it is tough to gain that amount of rep. It may seem tough but it also creates an aura of what things you have done within and for the faction itself.

On a side not I would like to see the boss implemented back into the Ixis temple, this would make it a tougher challenge for that banner. Make him a caster too, kind of like the Cleric in the temple of Gruumsh, he is always a fun and tough challenge.

Those are just a few of my petty thoughts.

[Fezzik]

If you're higher level (depending on your build) you can gain rep faster. I've had a couple of 20's that have struggled gaining rep by plucking flowers... I mean flags.. because they need other people to go kill stuff for them... I mean with them. If you start off at a low lever you get a slow progression; it still takes a while, but dm's are another course - as long as your in a faction that the dm's can do something with -- bookkeepers and merchants are a different kettle of fish ("Here, find out where the invoices are for that shipment, and hurry, or we'll loose all our profit!").

There is the grind question too... it's dull to go continuously on grind missions just for rep as much as it is for xp (IMHO). You're also assuming that everyone spends 6-7 hours a day here... only a few nuts do that .

As GD said, the jaw dropping gear for most factions is at 6k and 10k (so far depending on the faction, some factions haven't been adjusted in a long time *cough merchants cough*)

[thaelis]

On a side not I would like to see the boss implemented back into the Ixis temple, this would make it a tougher challenge for that banner. Make him a caster too, kind of like the Cleric in the temple of Gruumsh, he is always a fun and tough challenge.

Those are just a few of my petty thoughts.

Agree strongly with this! Although in tribal societies the strongest warrior tends to be the leader? Perhaps he could be a Fighter, with some spell-like abilities. He could be chosen of his evil snake deity?

[Snowmane]

The bottom line is that real rep gains are earned via DM events - trying to "level up" your reputation using the other methods isn't feasible past the first few ranks (unless you really love to grind).

[FoogooFish]

There was a time when each faction had donation boxes that PCs could used to purchase their ranks. I hated those boxes with a passion, because for someone like me who did not use them, it was irksome to have a brand-new PC waltz up and be all "sup" IC. I'm a grumpy old woman when it comes to that sort of thing.

Just like IRL, people who have been doing a certain thing longer are going to be more known and respected most of the time than the new hot-shot with a college degree / executive title / etc. swaggering into a place thinking s/he knows everything there is to know about everything.

Remember this, Starrizer?

"A rank does not say someone is better than another. I'm speaking of character. A rank only suffices to accompany said character."



At the end of the day, no one is probably going to remember the character who ran 150 banners and guard outposts without doing anything else for their faction. They'll remember the character who got involved with server plots, created RP for others, and made a positive impact on the server as a whole.

[Lugwy]

Be productive towards your faction. It's better for your sanity and it's better for your faction.

[OnyxTigress]

I think it's fine the way it is, personally.

[Lotus]

Just a heads-up: you will never, ever grind your way to 50,000 rep, because if we see that you have, we'll knock you right back down to 20,000. The highest rank for each faction, represented by a faction score of 50,000, is only granted by DMs after careful discussion.

[Starrizer]

Waking up to this!

Hehe This is why I love this server! *hugs*

[Atmosphere]

I actually preferred it the old way. Too often do I see players who represent their faction better through role play than others who grinded it and now hold higher positions. Luckily we have locked the top tier, as Lotus has just mentioned.

[Fuzziebunny]

I am confused here. Why would reputation give you a higher rank? Look, just because your character is well known or liked does not mean your " in charge". Now it is true that a man or woman with a good reputation in an organization will typically rise faster than one who is not well known or liked. But this process takes time! Especially in any sort of military or paramilitary organization.

I am honestly confused why anyone would even base rank on reputation. They don't always correlate. You "look" at reputation when you are considering someone for a leadership position but it is only one piece of the whole.