Faction Stores

[thaelis]

I've always had this idea ever since I first joined a faction on Sundren...perhaps the amount of gold regular stores (especially Exigo) offer when buying from players should be higher than the factions stores.

At the moment, faction stores pay better prices, meaning craft ingredients, magic items etc get sold to the faction store, perhaps never get seen by other players then disappear in the Reset.

I think if it was more profitable to sell to the Exigo, it would make life a lot easier for new players and Crafters, especially non-factioned ones (Factions members already get way better equipment, more events and whole bunch of allies to call on)

[Snowmane]

I think the systems are designed the way they are specifically to encourage people to join factions. As a player of several non-faction characters, this would benefit me greatly, but in the end I think it is counter to the spirit of the server.

[Fezzik]

It makes more sense for your "boss" to off to consign your goods at a discount to you than have you go down the block and have someone else (say Walmart) get the profit than said boss.

[ManUtd4Ever]

As someone who plays a senior Exigo faction member I always thought it would be nice if Exigo sold all or most of the precursors needed for crafting. Granted, keep some items rare, e.g. Gems to encourage interaction amongst players and reduce über magical items in game.

So, I agree Exigo should offer the best price on the server for precursors, but faction bosses will want to keep arms and armor internal and available to others inside their respective group... IMO.

[thaelis]

As someone who plays a senior Exigo faction member I always thought it would be nice if Exigo sold all or most of the precursors needed for crafting. Granted, keep some items rare, e.g. Gems to encourage interaction amongst players and reduce über magical items in game.

So, I agree Exizgo should offer the best price on the server for precursors, but faction bosses will want to keep arms and armor internal and available to others inside their respective group... IMO.

I meant for the Faction stores buying *from* players, but yes...what ManU says would also be great!

If rare ingredients randomly appeared in the stores very occasionally that would be awesome. Especially for those players who's character can't just go out and solo a boss 100 times to get that 1% gem or special craft material drop.

I mean, there must be some jewelry stores in Sundren right? Unless Kit robbed them all already...

[Snowmane]

In terms of crafting, yes I agree that it would be good to have a large selection of the more common items available to the public, especially for things like dyes.

[Farmboy2003]

Im more for the idea that most crafting materials goes in a general store. Perhaps make the exigo store the only ones to accept those items if its doable. Selling less useful stuff for lower prices to your boss doesnt make sense if siad boss/store doesnt sell it with great revenue in an official store.

I personally like the fact that such a store would only hold crafting materials that were dropped in the loot for active players, id like the crafting system to be based on player initiative.(and loot only items dissapear in resets seen counter-productive to this end).

I do not know if this could be great gold sink, I do know nadril has spent a lot of gold buying things in the general store. Will it compromise faction play idunno. Will it reward players seeking to craft, using custom skills and avoid a bit of grinding? I think so

[Kitsunestume]

I mean, there must be some jewelry stores in Sundren right? Unless Kit robbed them all already...

Hey! What are you implying? Those were all perfectly legal cons!

As for the spirit of the thread: I'ld pe pretty happy if Exigo sold fruit (let-alone dyes or other crafting stuff). Having to either facegrind areas way too low for James, or searching high, low, and through other people's pockets to find enough carrots to make a batch of dye seems a tad absurd.
In regards to the sell-prices of goods and materials, (particularly crafting stuff), I shall link this. James already pays enough out-of-pocket trying to get ingredients, Exigo offering better prices would just be totally unfair automated competition (Plus, they alreaby make a 400% profit on stuff like that: Also a perfectly legal con ).

Cheers,
Kit

[Farmboy2003]

ofcourse, true player initiative is making inquiries on the forum. But i just love going to exigo camp and seeing whats for sale there. Especially when ones improving four crafting skills at the same time, "oooh, I need that too. And those 4. And 6 dusin of those please. And whats this?" just having the stuff in store is a bit too easy, it should be random, like the loot script.

[Kitsunestume]

I do like the idea of the persistant store, but it would have to appy only to certain classes of items and presumably with limits: otherwise I see a very quick way to overload the capacity of a store and possibly screw something else up (I'm thinking something similar to the spell-list overload might happen, not sure).
One method of avoiding problems or abuse could perhaps assigning crafting supplies to have properties similar to those of trade-goods:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/wealthAndMoney.htm
Trade goods are the exception to the half-price rule. A trade good, in this sense, is a valuable good that can be easily exchanged almost as if it were cash itself.

Such items could be tradeable a price closer to the NPC-sell-price at select 'free-market' locations. I could see such locations being Exigo Tradepost, the Forums, and possibly the Gypsy Caravan in Aquor. Instead of having any stock of their own that replenished every reset, they could instead rely entirely on players buying and selling from those areas to provide stock. Such 'Free Markets' would only purchase goods from a small range of goods (Primarily crafting supplies or other items that could be seen as 'Trade Goods'; no arms, armor, or stuff that a standard trader or trademan wouldn't have), and could perhaps avoid being dumped at reset by transfering the entire stock to an invisible persistant chest shortly prior to reset, and being re-added to the stock in the store shortly thereafter. Such would limit the number of item stacks to 142 at every reset, and ensure a persistant and possibly fluctuating point of trade, without limiting the benefits of having access to Faction-Stores and their significant price margins to all sellable items, rather than a limited and oft-discarded selection.

[thaelis]

Such items could be tradeable a price closer to the NPC-sell-price at select 'free-market' locations. I could see such locations being Exigo Tradepost, the Forums, and possibly the Gypsy Caravan in Aquor. Instead of having any stock of their own that replenished every reset, they could instead rely entirely on players buying and selling from those areas to provide stock. Such 'Free Markets' would only purchase goods from a small range of goods (Primarily crafting supplies or other items that could be seen as 'Trade Goods'; no arms, armor, or stuff that a standard trader or trademan wouldn't have), and could perhaps avoid being dumped at reset by transfering the entire stock to an invisible persistant chest shortly prior to reset, and being re-added to the stock in the store shortly thereafter. Such would limit the number of item stacks to 142 at every reset, and ensure a persistant and possibly fluctuating point of trade, without limiting the benefits of having access to Faction-Stores and their significant price margins to all sellable items, rather than a limited and oft-discarded selection.

Wow, I think I underestimated Kit's intelligence >< If all that is possible within NWN then that would be awesome!

Although I'm not sure the designers want any stores to be persistent. I would hazard a guess that they like craft ingredients etc being rare???

[Farmboy2003]

What kit said! perhaps this could also allievate some DM attention. I have the impression that it is permissable to ask for a 'gatering rare materials' event for a dm. You're lacking something specific? (like belladonna, which is requried to make both choking powder and tanglefootbags) ask if a dm can drop a few in the trade goods store. At a random time. With a random amount. in a random store.

Personally I'd also like other non-use items to buy in such a shop. Like rope and hook (+1 bonus to climb/use rope?), lanterns, wierd tools and the infamous 10 foot pole. These 'worthless' items may perhaps clutter up the server. I do not know much about these things, but I do find it strange that they're absent in an rp server. How do you tie someone up if you don't have any rope in your inventory?

[thaelis]

Personally I'd also like other non-use items to buy in such a shop. Like rope and hook (+1 bonus to climb/use rope?), lanterns, wierd tools and the infamous 10 foot pole.

No adventuring party in the history of D&D that did not carry a 10-foot pole was ever successful. Fact!

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/08/...ns_dragons.php

On another note, I agree with what he said. Mundane equipment would be cool, although yes it would clutter up the stores a little?

[Doubtful]

There are already item such as the climbers pack that contain lengths of rope, hook and a few other sundries that add to climb when equipped.

[Farmboy2003]

I think I saw that in Aquor? It was 2k or something wasn't it? I hope rope is slightly cheaper in general. Or maybe the price on rope has gone up, since everyone's living in a floating city?