Restricting Clerics?

[Chiangtao]

Howdy!

I saw recently that FS has been restricted. I've never played one really, but it got me to thinking - why not restrict cleric, too?

My reasoning stems from the two most common complaints I see about clerics on the forum:

1. They are OPed
2. People don't RP them correctly - how many clerics to see you see actively trying to recruit people to their religion, save souls, etc.?

I'm not saying I agree / disagree with 1 or 2 really, but those are fairly common discussions I've seen about the class. Restricting them to good bios only, or RPOTM winners even, would solve a lot of the above. It might make a few of our PRCs less used, for sure. But in my opinion, cleric rarity would be a good thing, and it seems in line with the FS change.

[Snowmane]

From a balance stand point, maybe. But there are an awful lot of temples in Sundren to make clerics restricted for any RP reason. I see what you're going for, but I don't think this is the way to go.

[Chiangtao]

All kinds of folks use temples though

[Dragor]

1. The only thing that makes clerics OP is stonebody (while this is not true with FS's)
2. How to RP a class is not set in stone, and not all clerics are church recruiters, I have not actually seen ANY clerics (new or old) the last several times I've been online.

[[DM] Grinning Death]

I'm more in favor of seeing how things go, and make adjustments if necessary. We'll have less divine casters as is, and with some pending updates, it may work out for the best.

[Torgar]

I've played 3 clerics, they aren't OP, they just can tend to be selfish casters. They are just not gear dependent, that is all. If you have a fighter with gear that is on par with what a cleric can buff up to, IE +5 weapon, +4 armor/shield, +4 deflection, Then you will see him be just as effective as the cleric. I've seen plenty of clerics lately, and they are all RPed really well (I'm not playing a cleric, and my cleric's were rp'd ok at best) and see no reason to restrict them, IMO.

[Catastrophe]

I'm more in favor of seeing how things go, and make adjustments if necessary. We'll have less divine casters as is, and with some pending updates, it may work out for the best.

Gotta state my agreement with GD here.

[Yevelian]

Clerics aren't over powered. This is just getting silly.

[Yevelian]

I've played 3 clerics, they aren't OP, they just can tend to be selfish casters. They are just not gear dependent, that is all. If you have a fighter with gear that is on par with what a cleric can buff up to, IE +5 weapon, +4 armor/shield, +4 deflection, Then you will see him be just as effective as the cleric. I've seen plenty of clerics lately, and they are all RPed really well (I'm not playing a cleric, and my cleric's were rp'd ok at best) and see no reason to restrict them, IMO.

Could not agree more. Those who can't RP a cleric well, should be humped by DMs, not restricting the class. I would think, especially with recent rest changes, Clerics are too few and far between as it is.

[Catastrophe]

humped by DMs

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What

[[DM] Grinning Death]

*Turns on the Barry Manilow*

Awwww yeeeeaaahhhh

[BattleDolly]

*is playing a cleric and will likely try and get more followers*...

all classes have a leveling curve thing to, like, clerics are fairly self dependent in the beginning if we wanna talk mechanic wise.

RP wise? dunno, I just got here and so far I have not seen head or tail of any other clerics.

[Tamha]

My thoughts on the restriction on FvS was that it was likely because these characters have literally been touched by gods, therefore not everyone and their mom should have one. I'll admit, I'm grateful that I get grandfathered in with Darcy, but if she was a concept I had today instead of almost a year and a half ago, I'd totally post a bio for her for the contest if that what it took. As it is, I think you just have to post the bio for the staff, but still.

[ThePaganKing]

I have to disagree with Torgar about a fighter type with the same equipment being on the same par as clerics. I just got my ass handed to me in one of the moss dale temples not because of my gear, my ac was higher than anyone else's, it was because of magic resistance. He died because he was stunned, then paralyzed, and then burned to death.

Whereas the clerics in the party survived.

I don't have any problem with the changes, but remember that with all that magic being thrown around and no rest areas, most casters are probably going to think twice before giving others their buffs because they need back-ups for longevity and also dispell traps.

[Cornuto]

I have to disagree with Torgar about a fighter type with the same equipment being on the same par as clerics. I just got my ass handed to me in one of the moss dale temples not because of my gear, my ac was higher than anyone else's, it was because of magic resistance. He died because he was stunned, then paralyzed, and then burned to death.

Whereas the clerics in the party survived.

I don't have any problem with the changes, but remember that with all that magic being thrown around and no rest areas, most casters are probably going to think twice before giving others their buffs because they need back-ups for longevity and also dispell traps.

We're working on rebalancing the NPC encounters still.