Planar binding

[Seheren]

I know that summons have been worked on already. The summons 1-9 were changed, but the Planar Binding spells were left behind. The current summons are a bit underpowered for their respective spell levels. Fore example: As an evil char, for a level 8 spell you get a level 9 outsider. I don't necessarily think those summons need to be different beings, but at the very least get a bit of a boost to level.

It would just be nice if our lovely planar allies were a bit more useful. I would also love to see a much stronger version for Good aligned chars, something that could offset the power of the DK perhaps. That is just my opinion though..

[Thief Of Navarre]

Sounds reasonable. They are pretty sucky atm, only good for flavour at the moment. What's the DK?

[Standur]

Sounds reasonable. They are pretty sucky atm, only good for flavour at the moment. What's the DK?

Death Knight would be my guess.

[Seheren]

Death Knight would be my guess.

Yes, greater undead. As a same level spell, doing basically the same thing, I think they should be more balanced. Not everyone likes skeletons.

[Mournas]

I think they should be more balanced. Not everyone likes skeletons.

Thats the whole Purpose, Undead = Jail Sentence and then some.

[Seheren]

Yes, but my point was that the Planar summons should at least be in the same league.

[Mournas]

Yes, but my point was that the Planar summons should at least be in the same league.

Perhaps they should, though I do know that if they are only a 9HD creature then they definitely need to be reworked, as that is just a waste of a spell slot.

[Seheren]

Bump on this, with a further suggestion.

What would make this spell amazing is if it were done as the Summon 1-9 where a LG would get a LG Planar Ally, LE would get a Devil of some sort, and Chaotic Evil would get a Demon.

For example...

LG:Planetar
NG: Deva ((Humanoid, so easy to create the look. Colored skin, armor))
CG: Deva ((Humanoid, so easy to create the look. Colored skin, armor))

All neutral getting a random elemental.

LE:Barbed Devil ((Using perhaps the bladeling model with different stats))
NE:Barbed Devil ((Using perhaps the bladeling model with different stats))
CE: Hezrou

[Thief Of Navarre]

Seems reasonable enough to me! Im sure the team are pretty tied up with class and dungeon balancing but its one for the keep box imo!

[GodBeastX]

Summoning Demons is the same as summoning undead under sundren law.

[Seheren]

But for a CE player that may be more RP fitting, and honestly the level 9 that is summoned is.. Lacking. For being the same level spell as Create Greater undead, I feel that it should be closer in strength, for all alignments.

[Phantom Lamb]

I agree it would be nice to have them on par with the undead summons. They shouldn't be as strong as 1 - 9 because of duration, but they should mean something in a battle. I did the Summons 1 - 9, but frankly, have forgotten how I did them. I'll pester some of the coders for reminders and see what I can do. Can't promise anything though - the priority is on encounter balancing at the moment.

[Seheren]

Of course, I don't expect that this should be done first. Just out there so when there is time, it can be looked at.

[GodBeastX]

Why does everything have to happen on YOUR schedule Seheren? YEEESH!

Just kidding

[Kitsunestume]

The neutral summons currently bring forth a: level 3 sylph with 18 HP and 13 AC. Not exactly sure about anyone else, but that dosen't even fit the requirements for fireball-fodder, even if it does throw a couple spells 1/day each.

For reference (I think it was asked early on) the Deathknight is 10 undead/ 10 fighter, for a total of 20 class levels. (Plus gear like +2 greatsword and such)

LG:Planetar
NG: Deva ((Humanoid, so easy to create the look. Colored skin, armor))
CG: Deva ((Humanoid, so easy to create the look. Colored skin, armor))

All neutral getting a random elemental.

LE:Barbed Devil ((Using perhaps the bladeling model with different stats))
NE:Barbed Devil ((Using perhaps the bladeling model with different stats))
CE: Hezrou

Kinda seems a bit stagnant with that middle line, I'ld be interested to see something more in line with the current summon selections for each, more like:

CN: Grey Slaad or level-boosted Sylph
TN: Random elemental
LN: Inevitable