Reputation Idea

[Artemis]

Good factor to keep in mind when editing your scripts. x_X;

[Shedboy]

faction points for rp posts / IC activity on the forums??

[Chipmunk]

faction points for rp posts / IC activity on the forums??

As much as I'd love to put this into action, this comes dangerously close to us assessing good / bad writing. This, in turn, would lead to 'punishing' writers of lesser skill than others.

It'd be great if that didn't happen, but I've seen this done before with XP rewards for posts (and I've been on teams awarding such XP), and experience teaches me that that does happen, and there's little you can do about it.

[Artemis]

Especially when there's a huge language barrier. I have caught a few already that have horrible English grammar.

[ManUtd4Ever]

Several months ago I recommended that more than one banner could be secured in the same area and then turned in for a greater amount of reputation points. Viridale is an excellent example... Take the Gnoll, Goblin, Orc, and then Orge banners in order and turn them in as a set. This "quest" like approach to securing banners would be complete if corresponding NPC gave a one time rep bonus upon completion. Ideally this could morph into receiving a feat like protector of the realm, etc. Used for RP value only.

[Artemis]

I like this.

[ThePaganKing]

I like Manu's idea he posted several times about gaining multiple banners from different factions that would provide more faction points.

I also think daily quests would be a good way to gather faction points. I also think it would be great if DMs provided faction points and XP points during RP events.

I remember one DM asking one of my characters what he had been doing lately and especially for the faction. He found the discourse satisfactory and provided me with rep points.

[Lothoir]

faction points for rp posts / IC activity on the forums??

As much as I'd love to put this into action, this comes dangerously close to us assessing good / bad writing. This, in turn, would lead to 'punishing' writers of lesser skill than others.

It'd be great if that didn't happen, but I've seen this done before with XP rewards for posts (and I've been on teams awarding such XP), and experience teaches me that that does happen, and there's little you can do about it.

How is any of that in any way a problem? Good roleplay should be rewarded, and xp is one of the most tangible and sought after rewards. There is a massive difference between rewarding those that contribute to the community and 'punishing' those that don't, whether through a lack of ability or willingness. Rewarding good writing incentivizes further writing and character development and does not in any way penalize less capable or less willing writers. One doesn't improve at anything without practice, and that includes writing. In time, and with practice, less skilled writers can improve and begin reaping the rewards of their craft while the community as a whole can enjoy their writing.

[Chipmunk]

How is any of that in any way a problem? Good roleplay should be rewarded, and xp is one of the most tangible and sought after rewards. There is a massive difference between rewarding those that contribute to the community and 'punishing' those that don't, whether through a lack of ability or willingness. Rewarding good writing incentivizes further writing and character development and does not in any way penalize less capable or less willing writers. One doesn't improve at anything without practice, and that includes writing. In time, and with practice, less skilled writers can improve and begin reaping the rewards of their craft while the community as a whole can enjoy their writing.

I honestly thought this exact same way as well, Lothoir - but in the end, it nearly always turned into sort of favoritism. And strange other things - for instance, some people write single (super-long) posts, and others quick little ditties.

It's really hard to assess the amount of time someone spent writing something, since you don't know their skill at writing.

I've seen it in practice, and had the same hopes - and for me, it's been shown a bad idea every time. Which I honestly think is a shame - if you have good suggestions about it, I'd love to hear them.

[Artemis]

I honestly thought this exact same way as well, Lothoir - but in the end, it nearly always turned into sort of favoritism. And strange other things - for instance, some people write single (super-long) posts, and others quick little ditties.

It's really hard to assess the amount of time someone spent writing something, since you don't know their skill at writing.

I've seen it in practice, and had the same hopes - and for me, it's been shown a bad idea every time. Which I honestly think is a shame - if you have good suggestions about it, I'd love to hear them.

That's the keyword you hit on the head. I have seen this before in NWN1 and even till recent. Elitist groups and favoritism cause tensions real fast.

[Lothoir]

faction points for rp posts / IC activity on the forums??

As much as I'd love to put this into action, this comes dangerously close to us assessing good / bad writing. This, in turn, would lead to 'punishing' writers of lesser skill than others.

It'd be great if that didn't happen, but I've seen this done before with XP rewards for posts (and I've been on teams awarding such XP), and experience teaches me that that does happen, and there's little you can do about it.

How is any of that in any way a problem? Good roleplay should be rewarded, and xp is one of the most tangible and sought after rewards. There is a massive difference between rewarding those that contribute to the community and 'punishing' those that don't, whether through a lack of ability or willingness. Rewarding good writing incentivizes further writing and character development and does not in any way penalize less capable or less willing writers. One doesn't improve at anything without practice, and that includes writing. In time, and with practice, less skilled writers can improve and begin reaping the rewards of their craft while the community as a whole can enjoy their writing.

I honestly thought this exact same way as well, Lothoir - but in the end, it nearly always turned into sort of favoritism. And strange other things - for instance, some people write single (super-long) posts, and others quick little ditties.

It's really hard to assess the amount of time someone spent writing something, since you don't know their skill at writing.

I've seen it in practice, and had the same hopes - and for me, it's been shown a bad idea every time. Which I honestly think is a shame - if you have good suggestions about it, I'd love to hear them.

Favoritism is a part of human nature, it happens. There are people we like and people we don't like. DM's prefer to spend their valuable time on interesting characters that are capable of speaking in complete sentences. I know for a fact that many of the DM's on Sundren try to spread their events in a wide net to hook new players and help less experienced roleplayers out to get better but I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if the amount of time spent on the various characters was unequal, just because the DM's want to have fun too and that's more likely to happen with a good player.

Rewarding good writing on the forums is not appreciably different than rewarding good roleplayers in game. Additionally, why does it matter how long someone spends writing a piece? It's the end result that matters, not the work that was put into it. Work certainly has an impact but it shouldn't be the determining factor in reward distribution. Do DM's assign more xp to players that 'appear' to be trying to roleplay better than those that have already learned to do it well?

In the end, this is a roleplay server, everything that is done on this server and these forums is in the furtherance of an interesting story and anything that helps that along is a good thing. The fact also remains that no one would be penalized for not writing.

If the DM staff is still concerned with favoritism I would suggest setting up a google spreadsheet all DM's can view and edit. Use it to track players and 'story' xp awarded to them. Create a private thread where DM's can toss in their input on how much a particular post may be worth and if there are no objections have it added to the spreadsheet and when someone is ingame let the player know why they got the xp.

With a running total of how much xp is being awarded it would be simple enough for someone to notice if a particular character is getting a basket load of xp more than anyone else and prompt a discussion of whether they truly deserve it or if someone got carried away with the xp.

[Chipmunk]

Favoritism is a part of human nature, it happens.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't make an effort to minimize its impact.

Do DM's assign more xp to players that 'appear' to be trying to roleplay better than those that have already learned to do it well?

Actually, I'll admit I do. If I see a weaker roleplayer make a genuine, hard effort - I up their XP a teensy compared to players I know are fantastic, already. This is, of course, also adjusted for level.

It's not much - but yeah, I kind of do it.

If the DM staff is still concerned with favoritism I would suggest setting up a google spreadsheet all DM's can view and edit. Use it to track players and 'story' xp awarded to them.

You know what?

That's a goddamn great idea. I'll propose it, see if we can get something like this running.

Create a private thread where DM's can toss in their input on how much a particular post may be worth and if there are no objections have it added to the spreadsheet and when someone is ingame let the player know why they got the xp.

This is quite some overhead - it's a good idea, and it would work during low server-pop, but during high server-pop it'd create a lot of work. Reading takes time, too

If we'd run for a system where you only get XP for posts if a DM notices it, you'd get more issues. Namely: things being pointed out to us, or people even forcibly slipping in the PC characters of DM's in hopes of garnering attention.

Still - I'll begin with proposing the spreadsheet-system you proposed. We can see about expanding it to include journal posts.

Unfortunately, I feel we should return to the topic: rep points.

[Artemis]

Unfortunately, I feel we should return to the topic: rep points.

I know right?!

[Dave Fritz]

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If the DM staff is still concerned with favoritism I would suggest setting up a google spreadsheet all DM's can view and edit. Use it to track players and 'story' xp awarded to them. :end Quote


You know what?

That's a goddamn great idea. I'll propose it, see if we can get something like this running.

Getting back to the topic, a similar spreadsheet could be used to track banner and donation rep point awards, thus identifying rep grinders.

Still, it's extra overhead for DMs.

[ManUtd4Ever]

identifying rep grinders.

Everytime I read that folks are out there grinding rep... I feel bad for them considering the amount of time it takes to secure banners. Let me illustrate.

If you capture a banner you must wait 90 minutes before taking another.

If you play Sundren 6 hours a day... which frankly is not hard to do, it would take you 45 days to reach 10,000 points... That is IF you are capturing 50 point banners exactly every 90 minutes for six hours a day.

Since everyone does not or cannot play 6 hours a day, it would take 270 hours of play time (using the 50 point rule) to secure 10k rep points. So lets say you play three hours a night, then it would take three months to secure this kind of rep.

Now... if we consider the fact that we are more likely to secure an average of 20 - 30 point banners, then all of these times would be doubled.

So I ask you... Who grinds this much that we have to be concerned about Rep Grinders?

Cheers!