Nondetection

[Lollercide]

With all of the detection spells - good, evil, undead, locate creature, etc. - I would think this gives a lot of use for the PnP spell Nondetection!

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/nondetection.htm

Y/N?

[Urithrand]

I like the thought of this. A lot of people have reasons to not want to be detected these days.

[Sypthe]

This would be quite grand.

...not that there's anything to hide, of course. *coughs*

[roguethree]

Protection from Good/Evil have been coded to prevent detect good/evil and locate creature. Currently, there's just no solution for detect undead. I'm all for the inclusion of these spells if the nondetection is taken off of prot: alignment.

[Thief Of Navarre]

It was probably my favorite spell in BGII, excluding Breach. All for it!

[GodBeastX]

Thanks for the suggestion, it was already planned to go in however.

On top of this D&D offers items of non-detection which will likely find their way into the game as well.

[Lothoir]

I'd also like to suggest that assassins get the ability to cast it once per day at some level, since they would get is as part of their spellbook which can't be implemented, and Nondetection is a pretty important spell for any assassin, I think :P

[Thief Of Navarre]

I'd also like to suggest that assassins get the ability to cast it once per day at some level, since they would get is as part of their spellbook which can't be implemented, and Nondetection is a pretty important spell for any assassin, I think :P

If we are getting items and spells of it, I doubt the assassin really needs it. Unless he doesnt want to ditch his ring of protection (which is useless cause deflection AC doesnt stack) in favour of a ring of non-detection. As an assassin I know which I would favour ^^

[GRCrush]

If we are getting items and spells of it, I doubt the assassin really needs it. Unless he doesnt want to ditch his ring of protection (which is useless cause deflection AC doesnt stack) in favour of a ring of non-detection. As an assassin I know which I would favour ^^

Yeah. Your ring of hiding +6

[BedlamX]

Thanks for the suggestion, it was already planned to go in however.

On top of this D&D offers items of non-detection which will likely find their way into the game as well.

While I don't have a problem with the spell non-detection, I just see items with permanent uses as yet another bonus for evil/undead against the paladin/good guys. Now...I HATE watching people spam detect evil on EVERY character that walks by in black, but detect undead is a logical thing to throw up when standing guard or walking around at night given the massive role vampires play on Sundren. When every undead PC on the server has a ring of non-detection (or cloak or whatever...and you know that in time every vamp/pale master/Banite/whatever evil dude you can think of WILL have one), detect anything is just a waste of time.

The spell? Sounds cool to me. Makes you take up a slot and can wear off at the worst possible time if you don't pay attention. Could lead to some seriously funny RP when the vampire is hangin with a paladin when his/her spell wears off and the detect undead fires up with "WTF are you doing hanging with a vampire???"

Permanent effect items that totally ruin a class ability of your primary enemy? Not so much. Now the vampires and other undead template PCs can just hang out with paladins with impunity (as long as it is night or cloudy or indoors...and they don't do anything all evil-like in their presense).

[Kaeldorn]

I'm in agreement with BedlamX here. Though an item that has a use/day for a few hours would be alright. It'd better be expensive though, so you can't just carry 10 of them around to keep yourself covered. Or maybe rewarded for a quest for specific audiences (like assassins), so that you can only have 1 unless you buy it from another player.

[Urithrand]

I'd say use/day items too, permanent non-detection makes the baddies like me much harder to detect

[BedlamX]

Though an item that has a use/day for a few hours would be alright. It'd better be expensive though, so you can't just carry 10 of them around to keep yourself covered. Or maybe rewarded for a quest for specific audiences (like assassins), so that you can only have 1 unless you buy it from another player.

This is the one problem I have always had with 1 use/day items. Carry enough of them around and you basically get the permanent effect (as long as you watch the clock pretty well ).

I doubt there is any real way to ensure toons only have 1 of any certain item, so it could become a problem down the road.

[Kaeldorn]

Sure there is.

Quest reward -> cursed item.

[Doubtful]

Personally I think that a perminant item would be fine, though very hard to get / rare.

Even with items, it's only a matter of time before evil gets outed and PvPed every time it's seen near the fire.

Unless it's a female, in which case half the server will fall over itself to be nice to it.