Crafting Fatigue and other

[MadSeer]

After looking at the Crafting Fatigue system, then at the example on the Wiki, there's only three words that came to mind. No offence to anyone, but all I could think of is "wtf". I've been told by someone that it was a reaction to players getting uber gear after a very short time in game. If that's the case, that sounds as extreme as trapping a kid in a trash can because he bumped you.

Maybe there's something I did not understand properly, so correct me if I'm wrong, but given the example, it would take someone 3 whole, RL time months to recover from crafting a robe of the archmagi (1 point per 24 hours). It takes 3 months to recover from a severely broken limb. The same applies to lesser items like a silk shirt. That's 3 points of fatigue. So that means you're tired for 3 days for sewing some silk together. I just really don't get it.

Would it be considered to find an alternative to it, or a faster recovery time ? Or maybe implement ways to recover faster.

My other issue is with Critical Failures. I've had one doing some woodworking, and I can only imagine what it's like in the other crafts, but my character bled for almost twice his total HP. For cutting himself. With a knife. Since there's no healing kits well you can forget about a quick way to stop it. It just gives me the impression that all the penalties are focused to hinder high levels, which ends up killing a low level for things as silly as trying to make a dummy.

[Cornuto]

I think it's meant to represent the actual time it takes to create the item (3 days for a silk shirt)... the entire crafting system is getting pulled out and redone so we're not fixing the current one.

[MadSeer]

Ah, gotcha. I'm gonna wait a while before bitching about something else. Everytime I do, the issue is being worked on already and I feel like an idiot.

[Philosopher]

No worries MadSeer. The crafting system as been in the works for a long time now. No clue when it'll be done, though. =(

[Cornuto]

NP, if there's an issue it's fine to bring it up.

[BedlamX]

If it is meant to act as the actual crafting time, some of them are pretty long times. I sew. Mostly costumes which are much more intricate than a simple shirt. Three days to make a shirt? I've made full on costumes out of fake silk-like stuff in less than a day. Forging a sword? I know armorers that can pump a great quality one out in less than a day (and that's from a steel spring or bar).

Don't get me wrong, I actually like the fatigue system. And hearing that it is representative of the time spent to make things makes it even more interesting to me. I just think some of the fatigue points are a bit high.

But again, as has been mentioned, I know the whole crafting system is being revamped/completely replaced. Just a matter of time, I guess. Too bad I don't know any good scripters to give ya a hand.

[nezzerscape]

I sew.

Really?

lol so do I, and without a machine is would take days for me to make a shirt (and have it look good)

[Chiangtao]

Gotta remember -- most systems like this are a balance between realism and game balance. Yes, in reality, you can make a silk shirt in way less time than three days. But hitches like this are put in to balance out the Sundren world economy, too. Otherwise, you might have that 24/7 player over-crafting and flooding the system with goods.

Also, this is also a game where you don't pay for cost of living, the quality of the shirt is always the same, you never really sleep, and other miscellaneous "gimmies" we often overlook.

Anyway, my point is, sometimes there's big picture items the team considers that we players don't often see; we're usually focused on our own characters, not the world.

[Fezzik]

I think you have to keep in mind that (except maybe for Juney the Gnome), you're doing other things as well in the time it takes to make the item. For the most part, we are all adventurers not actual craftsmen only.

[BedlamX]

*sighs* The sewing a shirt was the only thing I have to guage on. None of the fatigue rates mean much to me. I only have one crafter and he almost never makes anything. It just fit his personality to be a swordsmith.

But, with the fatigue rates as they seem to be now, I can easily see why it is so hard for people to find miners (and some of the other crafters). It takes no time at all to hit the fatigue max mining...even if you get nothing. I know this is actually realistic, but it still explains the reluctance of making a miner (or finding one with low enough fatigue to do you any good).

Again...I like the idea of the fatigue system. Just think it could use some tweaks.

[Fezzik]

It doesn't seem like a lot of people put any points into the professional skills, which is another reason why it's hard to find a miner (most don't realize you have to put full points in to be effective as well).

[Intrepid42]

Agreed, Fezzik.

Also, the Profession skills Mining and Woodcutting are set up so that high base STR and CON makes the fatigue costs practical, and was probably balanced for high scores. 18/18 may double your output compared to 14/14, depending on the ore.

[Root]

I always wondered why Wisdom was the required stat for things like Mining and Woodcutting.

Apparently my dishevelled old druid who walks on a spear would be better at felling a tree than Helga the Huge.

[Intrepid42]

I believe it's based on the PnP implementation, where Profession skills use Wisdom.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Profession_Skill

Also, skill points are important, but once you can achieve the needed DC, fatigue becomes the limiting factor. I believe you get a d10 roll, plus relatively easy-to-obtain Mining Support Beams can help avoid collapse (hint: bring more than one).

Finding a partner who can buff WIS/Skills is a lot quicker than waiting weeks for the fatigue meter to go down.

For those making new characters, currently mining is the limiting factor, as smithing is faster than getting the ore in the first place.

Fortunately, there is a well-rounded PC race with a racial CON bonus available.

[Fezzik]

If you think about it, madly swinging at a tree with all your strength might take less time but really, you'll probably screw up the grain and spoil the wood