Dwarves resting in armour

[cdnspr]

Hey, just an idea here. I know some people are going to disagree, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

When I think of dwarves, I always picture them in heavy armour. I picture them, eating, sleeping, and getting drunk in their armour; they live their whole lives in it. With that in mind, maybe they could be excluded from the penalty for resting in med/heavy armour?

Let the bashing of my idea begin!

[Bishop Cornelius]

I Second that Motion! I think they should since in PnP Dwarves get no encumberance and have are used to wearing (including sleeping in) heavy (& medium) armor.

[Lanemeyer]

I actually like the idea, even if I am no dwarf player, it seems to fit

[black hand]

The same could be said for any tough veteran, or hard-bitten warrior of any race. But one could not live entirely in the armor without eventually suffering some sort of side effect.

Still the suggestion has merit. A good idea would be incorporated into a feat, which would allow the user a Fort Save instead. It reduces the chances of fatigue but wouldn't stop it entirely.

[Bishop Cornelius]

Dwarves already get bonuses to their use of heavy armor (in PnP) through their encumberance/fatigue while wearing it though so it'd only make sense... humans on the other hand are still soft-fleshy creatures no matter how battle-hardened they are... and have their sleep impeded by pokey-thingies (hehe), IMO...

[Urithrand]

I don't see dwarves living in their armor. I never really thought of dwarves as being particularly battle oriented at all, dwarves are far more concerned with getting drunk and finding pretty things. If anyone would apply to this exception, it would be paladins, but either way, no-one can sleep while wearing armour. If you disagree, I challenge you to try on a set of police officer's body armor. Now envision it weiging at least 100 lbs more, and being made of cold, stinking metal and covered in grease to stop it rusting.

Hardly restful attire, regardless of your race.

Please note I'm not "bashing" your idea, I like the creative vision behind it, but we've had requests and suggestions of this nature before, and they are always overturned for the same reason. No-one can sit down and chill out for a cuppa wearing 100lbs of solid steel.

[Phantom Lamb]

I'd much rather see a feat that folks can take to rest in medium / heavy armor. A prerequisite of the feat could be a minimum of like 13, 14, or 15 CON.

GBX is always seeking ways to make CON more useful in NWN2. Dwarves would have an advantage in this type of feat, as they have racial CON bonuses, but it would allow grizzled vets of other races access to it if they wanted.

[gbbishop]

No one!? shya, maybe no one where your from but I like the idea of kin in armor had one in pnp that NEVER took it off.. almost drown... and when he was not drowning he gave off quite the stench. Anyway it really only comes down to an rp mechanic if folk are remaining true to RP.

Lets face it EVERY pally and cleric (that uses med-heavy armor) sets aside a 2nd level slot for lesser restoration anyway.

One more point the dwarves can take stone bones and iron bones.. so perhaps it could be a side effect of these feats.. I think 2DR more than enough to keep a dwarven bum from chaffing.

Maybe the armor timer is borked i've found myself saying "oops... damn i hit the '5' key now i get to wait 30 seconds to do anyting." didnt mean to hit the hot key maybe a feature that allows you to cancel (like when you rest if you move it cancels the rest)

Anyway I like the spirit of the armor timer but I would much rather see a longer rest timer that way it makes it more balanced for the no clergy.

Perhaps after resting a timer starts you can act normally but you will not gain XP from kills for X number of minutes.. This IMHO would discourage grinding far more than the armor timer. This measure would also make it so casters can't just find a nook far enough away from hostiles and come back blasting at full.

Now that I think about it, this is a GREAT idea! Even if you don't let dwarves rest in armor, and I'd say allow it.

[gbbishop]

It would be a terribly under powered feat I think, really it only saves you 1 min of game time. A cleric does this with a second level spell. what about just providing the lesser restoration effect as a special ability?

Not that there are no terribly U.P. feats already but I would hate to add more.

[Doubtful]

It's odd, but I've never seen dwarves as so full plate obsessed - Sure, I get the armour aspect, but plate isn't the best thing for tight spaces - the fact that it can get easily caught up or jammed just seems to count against it.

Chainmail on the other hand I get - A Decent hauberk and gambeson combo is pretty ideal - padded enough to protect you from most knocks and scrapes down on the pit face and a good degree of armour if you get jumped by something unpleasant.

Plate is more of a standing around looking pretty, or if you *KNOW* you'll be getting into a pitched battle, but certainly not useful for everyday use.

Edit:
Having a feat would be handy though, god knows I swear at that rest timer enough!

[roguethree]

"oops... damn i hit the '5' key now i get to wait 30 seconds to do anyting."

Hit the escape key.

[Bishop Cornelius]

I don't see dwarves living in their armor. I never really thought of dwarves as being particularly battle oriented at all, dwarves are far more concerned with getting drunk and finding pretty things. If anyone would apply to this exception, it would be paladins, but either way, no-one can sleep while wearing armour. If you disagree, I challenge you to try on a set of police officer's body armor. Now envision it weiging at least 100 lbs more, and being made of cold, stinking metal and covered in grease to stop it rusting.

Hardly restful attire, regardless of your race.

Please note I'm not "bashing" your idea, I like the creative vision behind it, but we've had requests and suggestions of this nature before, and they are always overturned for the same reason. No-one can sit down and chill out for a cuppa wearing 100lbs of solid steel.

That's shield dwarves not all dwarves, that are more given to drink and trade... if they weren't a battle-ready race, their favored class would be rogue and not fighter :P

Oh and, in PnP , fullplate is 50 lbs... apparently DnD is generous from Real-Life weights at least in this case...

[Doubtful]

There is more to fighters than full plate :P

[cdnspr]

I don't know if a feat specifically for this will be very popular when most people will either use a 2nd level spell slot for lesser resto, or just sit around the 90 seconds it takes to equip/unequip.

tacking it onto the stone bones feat like someone suggested does seem appealing, though.

[Urithrand]

The use of lesser restoration was never intended to remove the stat penalties of resting in armour. In fact using it is technically taking advantage of a minor bug, and thus I could throw you all in jail forever. Not that I would do that of course...

But nonetheless, sleeping in armour is a resouding "no" regardless of your race. In fact, I could make a TV show out of clips of someone trying to lay down in it and get plenty of laughs. I have had the honour of wearing a full set of platemail armour at a large medieval re-enactment fete thingy a few years ago, and I don't think any one of you is aware of the rather amazing inability to do... well *anything* that armour imposes on you. Walking is a huge chore, you can't bend any joint on your whole body as far as 90 degrees, sitting, squatting, leaning, none of these things are possible. You are practically forced to stand perfectly straight and take as few steps as possible throughout the experience. The sheer weight of full metal armour in itself is crushing.

Now taking into account that I don't wear it every day, and I'm not a STR 18 fighter, I'll forego adding penalties to every single stat, skill and save while wearing armour, but I think being able to lay down and chill with a fat joint while wearing it should stay completely off the table