A Faction for the Dieties of Fury

[Kaizen]

I thought I'd probably just end up being a loner hated by all and with no one else to adventure/event with.

If you're referring to me, that's not funny. Its sad. And lonely. Oh so lonely....

[Usurper]

Its not unheard of when the followers of the furies ally with the Black Hand..We did it in the past when there were more furies on in-game.I honestly would like to see more churches,shrines,or temples. Perhaps like a little shrine in the Viridale for one of the nature gods or a secretive cavern for Shar..Maybe a safehouse for Mask..?

It would be neat to see those holy symbols have their uses for more dieties in a game mechanics sense.

[TheBrogueadier]

I'd despise seeing the furies combined; yes they are all a vaguely aligned but there is little to no overlap beyond being furies.
The fury churches are fairly separate; having them under single banner just defies common sense.
As Usurp mentions there have been collaborations between some of the Furies and the forces of Bane, but even that has been a tenuous link at best.
The forces of Malar and Talos do seem more suited to Natures Wrath, they are after all fairly wrathful gods.

As for being all sad and lonely – The Furies are an aspect of nature, and (except lunatic chaotic stormlords) are a pretty tolerated bunch, winter is a natural part of life’s great cycle, as are storms, hunting and what not. No long as you don’t go singing and dancing into the realms of murdering everyone then there’s no reason you’ll be an outcast all the time.

I think I’ll need to play the icequeen a bit more, chill some hearts and so on.

[Kaizen]

As for being all sad and lonely – The Furies are an aspect of nature, and (except lunatic chaotic stormlords) are a pretty tolerated bunch, winter is a natural part of life’s great cycle, as are storms, hunting and what not. No long as you don’t go singing and dancing into the realms of murdering everyone then there’s no reason you’ll be an outcast all the time.

I think I’ll need to play the icequeen a bit more, chill some hearts and so on.

I'm not allowed to be chaotic anymore - i forgot i'm also a druid

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I'd despise seeing the furies combined; yes they are all a vaguely aligned but there is little to no overlap beyond being furies.
The fury churches are fairly separate; having them under single banner just defies common sense.
As Usurp mentions there have been collaborations between some of the Furies and the forces of Bane, but even that has been a tenuous link at best.
The forces of Malar and Talos do seem more suited to Natures Wrath, they are after all fairly wrathful gods.

As for being all sad and lonely – The Furies are an aspect of nature, and (except lunatic chaotic stormlords) are a pretty tolerated bunch, winter is a natural part of life’s great cycle, as are storms, hunting and what not. No long as you don’t go singing and dancing into the realms of murdering everyone then there’s no reason you’ll be an outcast all the time.

I think I’ll need to play the icequeen a bit more, chill some hearts and so on.

Umm they are the deities of fury because they're semi united under Talos who's the biggest baddest of them. All of them revel in death and destruction. Umberlee does story seas, Malar is like a savage animal, Auril freezes you, and Talos just causes mass destruction anywhere with storms. They are likely together in the same way that their followers might work together in Sundren. They are BADLY outnumbered by others that hate them (wouldn't you want a murderous CE person backing you up who might one day decide to kill you for no good reason) and so are together for mutual goals. That's not to say there isn't a big rivalry and mutual hatred. But if they can't do something themselves they turn to other furies first. I thought the reason why so many factions merged was so that there would be a fair chance for more than one person on in any given faction at a time. Since they're MUCH more likely to ally with each other than others it kind of fits. They might not agree on HOW they want to see their goals done, but they all want relatively the same thing. That’s not to say there isn’t likely to be backstabbing, but it works… in a very evil chaotic manner.



As for how others see them. Malar is only tolerated in one country in Ferun (maybe two with Sundren). Most people see followers of those gods as evil so good and lawful people tend to go after them if known if only for self preservation. Yes, they are aspects of nature, but they're the aspects of nature you don't want. A 40k analogy, Nurgle is the god of disease, people get sick, that's normal, but no one wants chaotic evil smelly pussbags running around. Same could be said with Korne, which is a VERY close analogy to Malar.

[TheBrogueadier]

I’m a bit more awake today, so I’ll break this down step by step.

Umm they are the deities of fury because they're semi united under Talos who's the biggest baddest of them. All of them revel in death and destruction. Umberlee does story seas, Malar is like a savage animal, Auril freezes you, and Talos just causes mass destruction anywhere with storms. They are likely together in the same way that their followers might work together in Sundren.

The gods themselves are allied, that’s true, but that doesn’t always hold true of the churches on the ground – just because their patron deities might vaguely get along doesn’t mean that the clergy are willing to do the same, just look at the Dogma for Umberlees clerics – Kill anyone stupid enough to go around saying that shore and sea storms are the work of Talos.

Being base and simple things of unthinking destruction isn’t all the Fury gods do – One of Auril’s biggest festivals is a massive night-long event of singing, dancing and frolics. In the Southern lands she’s a beauty/sex deity rather than ice (I’m sure I remember reading that somewhere, I just can’t remember where). Malar’s (druidic) worshipers do the entire ‘Pick a village, look after it’ thing.

They are BADLY outnumbered by others that hate them (wouldn't you want a murderous CE person backing you up who might one day decide to kill you for no good reason) and so are together for mutual goals. That's not to say there isn't a big rivalry and mutual hatred. But if they can't do something themselves they turn to other furies first.

As I understand it the factions and sub-factions are used to represent broad and local alliances, for the most part anyway. They represent the political map of Sundren – On that map it does make much more sense to have the existing set up; the Umberlee and Auril temples would have substantial clout – Umberlee holds sway over the only port, the government would be really stupid to risk pissing off the god that could utterly cripple the commerce of the entire country (which is why it’s illegal to speak out against Umberlee in Avanthyr).

As for Auril – Let’s not forget Sundren is in the spine of the world, just the other side of the Sunderers gate is pretty much her frosty domain – Her clergy would have a lot of worshipers just from that, not to mention the normal cycle of winter and a all the people who live up in or near the mountains. While not a fury I suspect Akadi would have a fairly strong church of people praying like crazy that the Gulf Stream keeping Sundren temperate doesn’t falter.

Geimhreadh and Avanthyr are at utterly different ends of the map, mixing them together would be pointless – Physically the two temples are both sited where they have maximum individual influence (Geimhreadh in the Northern Tundra where they’d pull in tons of worshipers just be being there – Umberlee’s temple in the port) in the political system the only crossover they'd have is the fact they're both nature aspects (Don't forget Geimhreadh / Aurilitte group is headed by a druid, not a cleric) and gain extra respectability by being aligned with the Grove

Don’t think of the factions as groups that loosley work together, think of them in terms of politically powerful organizations. These political groups may then work together - Church may align with State on some things, but the State may then ignore the church and work with the Wizards. State mercinaries may bicker or disagree with State Army on some fine details, but ultimatly they are both commanded by the State. Druid (General) may strike up a deal with State, but Druid (Extremist Bastards) may disagree and pack State's car with homemade explosives.

State
(General)
State Army
State Mercenaries
State Mages

Church
(General)
Church Priests
Church Knights
Church Sponsored Militia

Exigo
(General)

Freedom Fighters / Terrorists
(General)

Red Wizards
(General)

Black Hand
(General)

Druids / Hippies
(General)
Eco Car-Bombers / PETA
Frosty Minxes
Watery Buggers

Others I Can’t Remember

Merging the Frosty/Watery into one group compromises the existing lore and negates the entire idea of politically strong groups. Adding a whole new Faction with them as sub-factions leads to a lot of pointless redundancy.

The 40k example is quite pointless.

[Kaizen]

just look at the Dogma for Umberlees clerics – Kill anyone stupid enough to go around saying that shore and sea storms are the work of Talos.

"Talos has been encroaching on Umberlee's portfolio through storms at sea and due to her lack of strength to oppose him, Umberlee has been trying to distract the Storm Lord with romantic suggestion." - Sundren Wiki.


Silly Umberlee clerics .

[Doubtful]

"Talos has been encroaching on Umberlee's portfolio through storms at sea and due to her lack of strength to oppose him, Umberlee has been trying to distract the Storm Lord with romantic suggestion." - Sundren Wiki.


Silly Umberlee clerics .

Heh, just because the gods are doing things, doesn't mean the clerics know about it.

Apart from around Exigo campfire where it often feels like eight out of ten characters, be they fighter, theif or priest, manage to display an epic level of insight into the exact movements, plans and aims of the gods despite having 0 ranks in Knowledge:Religion.

[Kaizen]

Very true. I don't see any of the Gods telling or letting his/her followers know that he/she is currently losing power in the very thing that makes them a God to fear in the first place.

I for one, don't see the Furies United idea working. Just too many clashes.

Here's one:

Talosians automatically assume they have command of the followers of the Furies, because Talos runs the Furies

The other Fury followers are going to say no.

Fight ensues.

I mean, it's a lot more complicated than that, but I went ahead and overly-overly simplified it.

[GodBeastX]

Heh, just because the gods are doing things, doesn't mean the clerics know about it.

This clerics would probably be aware of Doubtful. The reason gods take portfolios in this manner is because the public views the god in that light. If people stop fearing umberlee during hurricanes at sea and start fearing Talos, then Talos gains the portfolio. Not sure how a cleric would miss that one.

[Doubtful]

I'd still see that as very high-level cleric knowledge, favorite temple owner style thing. Umberlee isn't about to go broadcasting to every peon that she's weakening.

Hells, I'd tell every one of my clerics to get out there and smack the hells out of anyone found attributing the storms to Talos in the hope people would fear me again and I could reclaim the portfolio; but I certainly wouldn't say why I was getting them to do it.

[Urithrand]

I think this is straying a bit off topic now. This isn't really about which God's shagging who, we're trying to establish whether there would mechanically be any benefit to having seperate factions for each of the furies - which there most certainly wouldn't. Each faction would have less than a handful of members and therefore do and achieve very little, and as a result get no DM attention. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

[thaelis]

If you're referring to me, that's not funny. Its sad. And lonely. Oh so lonely....

How ever did you guess