First evil character, could use some advice

[basyra]

Wish to say hello to everyone here as well . I have played nwn1 for quite a long time and now i decided to move over to nwn2. I tried some of the highly populated roleplay servers but they were rather dissapointing so i am going to try my luck here. First impression on the forum is good, i see an active and friendly community. Can't wait to meet you all in game, if my character gets accepted that is .

I am used to playing good alignment characters but it's time for a change so i am trying my luck with an evil one, a follower of bane to be exact. The point where i will be satisfied is when i display a believable character that i can symphatise with. If you ever read any dragonlance books or are familiar with the knights of takhisis, then that is the thing that i am going for. The honorable blackguard who puts his god before everything, he is proud of being a follower of bane and believes in his ideals.

Now i was wondering if it would be baneish behaviour if my character wore a necklage with the symbol of Bane around his neck. As i have said, he is proud of being a follower of Bane and wont ever deny it to anyone but in some cities it might lead to instant death.

Can followers of Bane be honorable? His description reads that he is a god who tends to fancy murder in cold blood, if my character would refuse something like that, would he still be a good follower of bane?

Thank you for any comments and hope to see you all soon .

[Ichbin]

Oh...I could give you some help in this department. heh heh...

First things first. Im guessing from being an honorable evil guy, your L/E. In being LE you have to basically play as a villian. A villian is someone who's smart, he plots and plans and generally has a main goal. NE has no gaol, he/she is just a jerk for evil's sake. If your LE, then you have goal, an incidious goal. All that go in your way must be taken out. However, you do not go out of your way to do evil things to others. You do evil when its convienient for you and your goal.

does that make some sense?

Like if there was a dying body on the side of the road...you wouldn't find it necassary to torture them, or finish them off...they are none of your concern...less they plot against you. See what I mean?

[Giant Moth]

Here's your first lesson:

Don't be rude, smartassed, arrogant, an idiot, an ass, a douc?bag, overconfident, mad, insane. Don't insult every person you meet. Don't be emo. Don't think you can't have friends. Don't think everyone hates you. Don't think you should hate everyone else.

Now the bigest mistake with all evil characters is that 80% of them are a combination of the above elements. Which is... perhaps... arguably good character traits... but not something exclusive to an evil person. Which is the common belief. People seem to believe, just because you're so damn evil, you have to threaten to murder every person you meet, and generally not be a nice person. Like you want to scream, "I'm evil!".

I've played a lot of sociable characters that's simply been generally nice to the people around. And no one really believed that character was evil. But then went out and robbed people.

[Dark presence]

I'll give advice on your deity. The gods of the Realms are complex and diverse, and the larger ones have multiple aspects. And that is where I believe you can find perfect reason to stay true to certain aspects of Bane and not others. Just like religion in the real world, people see different things in the same holy book, and worship the same god in very different ways.
So I personally see no reason why your character can't reject certain interpretations of Bane and uphold others. Evil and murder are definitely not synonomous in the DND world.

[Kaybrie]

Don't be rude, smartassed, arrogant, an idiot, an ass, a douc?bag, overconfident, mad, insane. Don't insult every person you meet. Don't be emo. Don't think you can't have friends. Don't think everyone hates you. Don't think you should hate everyone else.

Err, you just named off every general reason why bad guys exist in the first place. . . And the best villains are the ones who are made from a combination of most, if not all of the above...

[Ichbin]

Don't be rude, smartassed, arrogant, an idiot, an ass, a douc?bag, overconfident, mad, insane. Don't insult every person you meet. Don't be emo. Don't think you can't have friends. Don't think everyone hates you. Don't think you should hate everyone else.

...dont be Ichbin.

[Giant Moth]

Err, you just named off every general reason why bad guys exist in the first place. . . And the best villains are the ones who are made from a combination of most, if not all of the above...

Villain does not equal to evil character. Or more rather, evil character does not equal to villain.

[Kaybrie]

Ahh I see what you mean now... Right my appologies.

[Bluflame]

1 Never say you are evil...you just have overly dramatic opinions...

2 If you worship an evil God don't let anyone know....Step around the questions or possibly create a fake God or Goddess to Follow....

3 If you are going to commit an evil act...hide yourself well while doing it...cover your face and body leave no clues use allnew or generalized gear that anyone could have access to

4 Take upon yourself a Different Name either while playing openly or when doing your evil intentions....A Name is a powerful thing to have

5 Don't share any knowledge of your trueself with any other evil characters...people who know such things can be made to talk....


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The most effective evil characters are those who think what they are doing is right. Conviction breeds strength, and is not soley the tool of the just.


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These are not my comments, but quotes from my other server.

[Tratz]

Ok, I was new at this also when first hitting this server, but I honestly think I'm getting a feel for it. Here's my two bits.

As with all characters you make consider the background, the motive and the history behind your character. What did he/she go through, what was the said character's point of view then and why are they motivated to deviate so strongy from the moral majority? Consider your character's present attitude and traits. What are their quirks, interests, aspirations. Every character has a goal to some degree. You may tweak their behavior later depending on your choice of stat placement. Stats I feel are a helpful and important deciding factor in your character's behavior, in particular Charisma, Wisdom and Intelligence. These are in my opinion your character's "Behavior Stats." Be sure to implement them carefully. You do not need to follow them religiously, but it helps to always consider them when you're stuck in a decision. You should also consider your alignment always. I personally feel that your alignment in most cases should have a heavier impact on your character's behavior then her stats. You may be very wise, intelligent and charismatic, but if your chaotic evil, you will still commit to chaotic, rash and abrupt behavior with no respect for human life or morality. How you go about commiting your selfish and destructively chaotic actions may be smart, or done wisely .

Now you have your evil person with a well thought out background. You have your Actus Reus (how your character behaves or goes about comitting her atrocities) and your Motive (the reason why she does these things), stats and alignment to fall back on. With that you may venture into Sundren with a good foundation. The rest is up to you from here. Each of your actions in the community will develop your character and how others relate to you. Don't let dieties, stats or alignment completely bar you. Maybe you'll change your tact over time, depending on how strongly you're set in your ways.

Above all else however, do not fear the community. Personal fear for your character and the consequences your actions may have, your own remorse and personal feelings must be set aside if you are truly to indulge in your new persona. If you feel it is necessary, explain no personal ill will OOC, but do not let your own ideas of morality, empathy and pity get in the way. This may sound harsh at first, but it's necessary for you to implement a quality, well played persona. Others will come to appreciate the intensity of your character, if not immediately then over time. Have fun!

[Tratz]

1 Never say you are evil...you just have overly dramatic opinions...

2 If you worship an evil God don't let anyone know....Step around the questions or possibly create a fake God or Goddess to Follow....

3 If you are going to commit an evil act...hide yourself well while doing it...cover your face and body leave no clues use allnew or generalized gear that anyone could have access to

4 Take upon yourself a Different Name either while playing openly or when doing your evil intentions....A Name is a powerful thing to have

5 Don't share any knowledge of your trueself with any other evil characters...people who know such things can be made to talk....


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The most effective evil characters are those who think what they are doing is right. Conviction breeds strength, and is not soley the tool of the just.


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These are not my comments, but quotes from my other server.

I like this advice to an extent. Not everyone is a methodological, intelligent criminal, however. There is nothing wrong with a boisterous, overtly cruel and malign character. Definately a challenge to play, due to the immediate stigmatization of your character, but fun nonetheless. And yes. Telling everyone that you're evil is always corny. No one does that :P. Bad guys don't get up in the morning thinking "I'm going to be extroardinarily evil today and let the world know and fear my name." It's more like "The world will soon know and fear my name."

[OzmaDarkheart]

A warning

Just make sure to keep any evil actions PG-13, per the server rules. For examples of PG-13 evil pick up most comic books made by DC or Marvel.

Also be aware that by playing an evil character you are setting yourself up for a whole lot of grief. Most deliberately evil actions require a victim of some sort, and as things stand so far, the only available victims are other PC's. As has been said in other threads, notify your victim via tells before you start going nuts on them(i.e. stealing, murdering, etc.). Realise that not everyone is going to want to accept non-beneficial things happening to their character, and will refuse. As the rules stand, if they refuse you cannot go after them anyway. This limits your actions, but it is in the interest of balancing out the overall enjoyment of the experience for everyone involved.

(If any of this is inaccurate please let me know)

[Tratz]

Just make sure to keep any evil actions PG-13, per the server rules. For examples of PG-13 evil pick up most comic books made by DC or Marvel.

Also be aware that by playing an evil character you are setting yourself up for a whole lot of grief. Most deliberately evil actions require a victim of some sort, and as things stand so far, the only available victims are other PC's. As has been said in other threads, notify your victim via tells before you start going nuts on them(i.e. stealing, murdering, etc.). Realise that not everyone is going to want to accept non-beneficial things happening to their character, and will refuse. As the rules stand, if they refuse you cannot go after them anyway. This limits your actions, but it is in the interest of balancing out the overall enjoyment of the experience for everyone involved.

(If any of this is inaccurate please let me know)

You do not need permission to steal. However, you don't get a choice of what you steal; You simply randomly take something. This is a retarded oversight made by Obsidian and Bioware, since this senseless mechanic was in NWN1 as well. If you steal in stealth, you don't have to say a thing unless you randomly steal something 11 pounds or more, or over 100g. If you steal out of stealth you must RP a snatch and run, or something to that effect.

[Cheatcake]

You don't need permission to steal, but there are some very nice rules about it, like you only get a single attempt (if you fail it counts too) on each character per 24 hrs and if you take anything heavier than 10lbs you have to return it or you will be considered detected automatically

Also, Sleight of Hand is only retarded in letting you steal ridiculously big/heavy stuff. In a few situations you could really be after something specific on someone else, but on most cases it's a "take what you grab first" thing. I saw mention of some hak that let's you see the whole inventory of people you go steal. Now that's a retarded hak What kind of magical crystal ball do they use to know each and every item you have in a split second, allowing them to even choose what they want to take when they might have no idea it's in your possessions If you want some item you know (or think...) someone has and know (or think...) where they have it, RP it out! Make Spot and Sleight of Hand rolls and see what happens. You might find out you were wrong about that key being in their pocket when it's too late hehe.

I'll also disagree on just one of the points suggested, regarding worshipping an evil god. Be careful with following the advice of not saying who you worship and lying about it. Some gods, like Cyric and Mask maybe, wouldn't mind it at all and might even like it. But most of them are prideful creatures and if you go around always denying your deity and telling people you worship this or that deity for no reason besides saving your own ass expect to have them very unhappy about it

[Rhazeal]

So, telling people that you worship Gargauth will actually do more harm than good? :P