Common Courtesy

[cmosier]

I would like to first mention, that I am only a Player, so these are not demands or rules, they are simple requests. A few things that I think we could do as Players to make the game more enjoyable to everybody.

Thou shall not tell others how to play their characters.
I have had tells saying that Sehron wasn't Elven, Chaotic, Good, or Rougish enough.

Thou shalt wait for the victims of a crash to return.
This is a peeve of mine. This can cause somebody to lose a lot of experience due to a lack of patience.

Remember the DM's and take your problems to them.
Do not send tells about what my character can and cannot do. I've been accused of metagaming and "spying" for no reason lately.

Thou shall not ask me for a roll as a Player.
I usually play along with this to enhance Role Play, but some people have asked me to make rolls against a skill that is not appropriate to the situation. Go ahead and make your roll though, most of the time, I will play along.

Thou shall not be a perv.
As a player of a "spy" I respect this one. If a couple is having an intimate moment, don't watch. I can think of few reasons a character would need to watch that, and in truth it is very creepy. If you do this, you should probably avoid schools and parks.

These are a few of the things I can think of right now. I know there are always exceptions, so there is no need to start responding with a lot of "What if" threads. I would be curious to add to this list though, so any ideas are welcome.

As always, if this is out of line as a Player, delete it and I will not be offended.

[Silas North]

- Not roguish enough?! LOL I think Sehron is the EPITOME of the chaotic good elven rogue. I am not sure if you ARE CG, but that is merely a guess. Either way, I cannot believe anyone would bug you about this. I do owe you an apology for that little "safe combination" joke I told in my last post involving Jenny. I think I overstepped my boundries a little with that. Sorry Seh.

- I agree with this one, but I sometimes crash so hard the damn game/server will not let me back on. I do not mind, but some people do. At least give people a CHANCE to come back. Not their fault their internet is being buggy.

- Unless you just heard your brother was in a car wreck or something, this is pretty common sense IMHO.

- Give me name Sehron... they shall pester you no more.

- Again, just common sense. Rolls are a luxiry, not a requirement unless a DM says so.

- Er...this one goes without saying. I have been interested enough in the conversation of a pair of people to be somewhat curious with Os, but when things get... intimate.. even if they stay within the PG PG-13 barrier... yeah... no... leave... fast.

This man knows what he is talking about people. Listen well.

[Kangleton]

Take a lesson from the book of Shannanagans and Attributed Madness, and respond to unwarranted player rolls with an equally innapropriate one. If they roll their bluff to try to act diplomatically, maybe you should show them how adept you are at using rope. Perhaps demonstrate your skill as a swimmer? Countless possibilities.

Although the book was written by Lollercide, and yours truly, I allow you to make use of this fraction of the content. Stupid rolls are the only appropriate response to pre-existing stupid rolls!

[cmosier]

No Silas, the Safe Joke was perfect. People change. And yes, he is in fact Chaotic good. As for stupid rolls, I have decided I will roll my Sleight of Hand roll as warning.

Another to add to the list.

Thou shall not complain about the fairness of rogues.
Yes, I will crippling strike your ass until you are so encumbered you can barely walk, run up, turn invisible, and come back and hit you some more. Not very fair... but affective.

Thou shall not complain about spell casters who cast spells.

[Gamling]

It's true, these common courtesies should be demonstrated by everybody, and I know Sehron has waited for me with my god awful crashing when we were in the middle of something. Rep for you, for making them more clear.

And yes, the book of shannanagans really does work.

[Gabryal]

* Spying. As a player of a "spy" I respect this one. If a couple is having an intimate moment, don't watch. I can think of few reasons a character would need to watch that, and in truth it is very creepy. If you do this, you should probably avoid schools and parks.

This one made me laugh Ogre, only because I've had at least twice now had Kat spied on while she was taking a bath. The end result of which led to this RP thread, so you do have a very good point, I just can't believe anyone who has been here long enough to spend time with Sehron would really say all the above....

And it's not like I'm not guilty of doing the carpet bomb approach to finding a hidden rogue ( for those not in the know, just picture over 30 fireballs and ice storms going off in a gradually expanding sphere of death ) chances are if you find yourself in a fight with a rogue you did something monumentally stupid anyway, since any rogue worth their salt would knows that fighting is the last resort and won't do it unless they've run out of other options ( or they are an assassin ) however if you were dumb enough to back a rogue into a corner don't cry when he carves you up like a piece of meat, or if you are so convinced that rogues are "easy" ( I'll throw myself a bone and say sorceresses too ) and therefore are overpowered or some such nonsense, make one and see how far you get before you want to break your computer in half from frustration.

[cmosier]

Due to the fact that as humans we are all flawed, sometimes these basic requests will be violated. This leads me to another Commandment;

If thou error, thou shalt appologize.

Buck up. Be an adult. We all slip, and I am certainly no exception to the rule. A simple "Hey, I'm sorry about *insert violation here*." can do wonders.

[sharringtonm]

The #1 Rule for being a boss in real life is "Never apologize to your subordinates. Admit mistakes sure, but never apologize. It will destroy your authority."

It's really too bad that idea bleeds into so many other things, eventually becoming "Never apologize for anything to anyone".

Apologies are few and far between. Celebrate when you get one, accept it as normal when you don't.

I like you post and think its a good one, but I really think its asking too much of human beings.
Because:
People suck, and all we can try to do is surround ourselves with people that suck less then others.

[Clyde Baneheart]

"Your rogue didn't fight fair. They are not suppose to. Yes, I will crippling strike your ass until you are so encumbered you can barely walk, run up, turn invisible, and come back and hit you some more. Not very fair... but affective."

I tried playing a softie myself, but found I like the ranger more. I think for the person who complains about fairness, reference Drizzt, cause he says it quite well: 'Where in the nine hells did you get the notion that I would fight fair?'

But I know that even in my short time, I am guilty of the crash one...

[Kunoichi]

I think for the person who complains about fairness, reference Drizzt.

Oh no you just didn't...

-facepalms and hides from eminent DM smiting-

[cmosier]

I thought about this one, and it is being posted more for myself to remind me why I play.

Thou shalt remember, it is only a game.

I used to (and to some extent still do) get frustrated when newer characters would catch up to mine in a quick manner. There have been a few things that I have had to come to terms with.

* I have a busy life. I simply do not have the time to put into this as some people do. People who are on more get noticed by more DM's. It is the nature of things.

* Role Play is Subjective. This server is full of exellent role players, many of whom I feel get over looked. This happens mosy likely, becasue like me, life can be busy. So lack of attention does not equal poor role play.

* They are only items. During my entire time playing Sehron, I have had only one unique DM item, and I lost it after my capture to the Banites. In fact, I lost everything. You would be surprised how fun it is to regain everything again. It takes time and determination to do that. And no, I never had that rapier replaced.

* I play for the Players. I do not want to recieve items or become all powerful, I want to relax and enjoy myself, and that is what I do.

(Note to DM's: Items and becoming all powerful still nice though.)

[Skro]

* Do not tell people how to play their characters. I have had tells saying that Sehron wasn't Elven, Chaotic, Good, or Rougish enough.

That's the most pissy people, "expert roleplayers" or "manual readers" trying to show their knowledge or toughts bothering another players.

The most pissy ones are the people who tries to explain who you must RP an elf. This people thinks you must RP like this: "Im an elf and I don't mix with humans blah blah blah" and if you don't do that they start to acuse you are not enough Elven. And they always piss off the DMs trying to obtain a player runed elf citadel.

Gradually you will understand about the lack of RP and solid base of their characters. When I found one of that kind, he was level 40 and bored about being a high priestess of Corellon Larethian, she became evil and became a level 40 high priestess of Bane, and later she became again a high priestess of Corellon Larethian, nice enough?

[Gabryal]

I have a personal dislike of all "cannon" characters I've ever run into, with the notable exception of Pyras, who makes one outstanding Red Wizard, but still isn't "typical" in alot of his behaviors. It's the non typical characters who always get my attention, For example, I like Sehron for his "non-elven" ways, he's not all forests, and trees, and endless joy, despite, alignment, diety and race. That makes him interesting to me. This doesn't mean I want to see everyone disregard FR lore either though. I can't tell you the number of characters who I can only assume reflect the attitudes of their players, nearly lose their lunch over Katie and her bisexually amarous nature ( which isn't as well earned as rumor reflects in anycase ) when in the FR bisexual and homosexual relationships are so normal as to not even be remarkable. That's neither here nor there however, cmosier is right, unless it's blantantly stupid ( stop "noticing" the polymorphed druids in the Trading post for example, The post is pushed up against farmland, a stray cat, 15 feet away in the dark, under a wagon is not going to get your attention, and certainly not the bird that's flying over the camp ) Anyway, Rep for you cmosier this should be stickied imho

[valenator]

I tend to lean toward the opposite. I appreciate when players make the effort to play their characters toward what FR canon suggests, Pyras being a fine example. For my own money (heh, were I actually paying for anything), I would rather see elves act elven and dwarves act dwarven as I feel it adds to the culture of the world. When we get away from racial behaviors, we start getting a world full of humans that happen to look like other races and have different ability modifiers.

To clarify, I don't want to project my own views on to another; as long as players are having fun, that's most important. I'm simply interjecting what, to me, makes a more interesting character.

[Skro]

I tend to lean toward the opposite. I appreciate when players make the effort to play their characters toward what FR canon suggests, Pyras being a fine example. For my own money (heh, were I actually paying for anything), I would rather see elves act elven and dwarves act dwarven as I feel it adds to the culture of the world. When we get away from racial behaviors, we start getting a world full of humans that happen to look like other races and have different ability modifiers.

To clarify, I don't want to project my own views on to another; as long as players are having fun, that's most important. I'm simply interjecting what, to me, makes a more interesting character.

Of course you can stick to a FR cannon, anyway, the people must understand the fact of:

FR Cannon in Manuals: Reflects the Commoner and stable society.
FR Characters on PnP: Tries to stick to the Manuals
FR Characters on NWN2 PW: 50% Sticks to the Cannon, 50% Makes free interpretations of any race.

in this last topic you have three kind of people:

Understanding Player: The player who sees another character and respects the characters.
Example: "I like your char!"

Counceling Player: The player who wants to improve your character telling usefull details for further interpretation.
Example: "I like your char! Can I suggest adding some excentric hand movements?"

Manual-Eater-Pissing Player: The player what believes his word it's better than anyone because he readed and studied every manual.
Example: "OMG! You NOOB! Elves doesn't have blue pubic hair! That's stated on the Page 85, paragraph 5, line 3 of the Elven Manual of Sexuality!"