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    There is something very significant that seems to go unnoticed, and I think it is worth emphasizing: There is a difference between the character, and the player. Seems simple, I know, but it is a point that needs repeating, as I have had several encounters that motivate such a notion.

    In addition to an unstable Druid with an identity crisis, I play a jerk named Nathanius. He's pretty one-dimensional in the sense that I really did just summarize him in as much detail as exists - he's a jerk. He'll pick fights, bully people, push them around, make threats, and disregard pleasentries whenever he might feel like it. Yeah, there is obviously more to him than that, but such characteristics are what come across first and foremost, and this has become problematic, OOC'ly.

    People need to realize that, as much of a jerk as a character might be, that doesn't speak to who the person behind the screen is! I've been met with so much OOC hostility because my character pissed someone off, and that is plain unreasonable. Most players are not their character, and shouldn't be treated as such. If you absolutely despise a certain character, take note that such hatred should exist purely between the characters involved, and not the players.

    I'm not gonna get anymore specific than this, as I don't want to suggest that any single person is at fault or anything along those lines. But please, people, I implore you... create the distinction between you and your character, and respect that difference as it exists in other people and their characters.
    Pyras: Red Wizard of Thay, High Arcanist of Illusion, Master of the Enclave's Knight Commander.

    Currently taking apprentices, and conducting research.

  • #2
    Glad you didn't get specific with your 4 paragraphs. ;D

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    • #3
      Aaaaah shut your mouth, you overconfident Roleplayer of the Month.

      You're one of them real OOC jerks. That's why you have zero rep power, nub.
      Pyras: Red Wizard of Thay, High Arcanist of Illusion, Master of the Enclave's Knight Commander.

      Currently taking apprentices, and conducting research.

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      • #4
        I get what your saying and I agree =]
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        • #5
          I can see how this can be a problem. My character runs into many individuals he doesn't really like, and I haven't got to know the player's well enoguh to not like them yet.

          If Sehron insults anybody's character, don't take it as a personal attack. Characters are just personas. Each character might have a piece of myself in them though none of them represent me as a person.
          Byrun - Wandering Swordsman
          Falrenn Silvershade - Shaper of Truths

          If you're searching the lines for a point
          Well, you've probably missed it
          There was never anything there
          In the first place

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          • #6
            Good, this goes for all characters who absolutely are hated.
            Lauan - knight of Thay " I have no fear, and death is merely an inconvenience to me. I do not die until ordered to do so, I do not fall until every last bit of life has left me. I stand tall, proud, a Thayan knight."

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            "Nobody is more dangerous than he who imagines himself pure in heart, for his purity, by definition, is unassailable." — James Baldwin

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            • #7
              How does this work for DMs Kang? We really do make deliberate, intentional, and entirely OOC decisions to make PCs suffer. I can't say "Hey, it wasn't me, it was my character!", 'cos it really was me >=). Please expand on your concept and develop me a get out clause. I consider it extremely selfish that you didn't think of the staff and our need to divest ourselves of responsibility for our actions . Please remember to do (be?) better!
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              How do I get around?

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              • #8
                I think generally a few tells during or after tense RP can help a lot in mitigating bad feelings that might develop. Maybe? No? Okay.

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                • #9
                  You know you're right Wangy, stop frowning!
                  I got one leg missin'
                  How do I get around?

                  One Leg Missin'
                  Meet the Feebles

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wangxiuming View Post
                    I think generally a few tells during or after tense RP can help a lot in mitigating bad feelings that might develop. Maybe? No? Okay.
                    Actually, that is what provoked this, really. I sent a tell after more than one issue, telling people "Hey, sorry if that came off harsh. But seriously, that's my character - not me. No hard feelings". Most people recognize the fact that it was RP, meaning ROLE playing, and that it wasn't really player on player crime/hate. Some don't.

                    And yeah, I was actually thinking a lot about Sehron when I made this post. He's so offensive sometimes, but, personally, I love that character. I happen to appreciate sarcastic humor at the expense of other people... it's hilarious, and I'd hate the idea of other players taking offense at what is clearly just character interaction. That character is a good example of what I'm trying to explain.

                    Character on character conflict and interaction is great, but when it becomes player on player, it could be a different story. People need to see the difference.

                    And Mach, there are no exceptions for DM's. You can just take your beliefs and... do something unpleasent with them.
                    Pyras: Red Wizard of Thay, High Arcanist of Illusion, Master of the Enclave's Knight Commander.

                    Currently taking apprentices, and conducting research.

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                    • #11
                      When the IC/OOC line gets too blurry it's usually because something is going wrong; this sort of thing is just one example. That said, playing brash and abrasive characters is a balancing act between RPing their personality and showing OOC courtesy by not steamrolling everyone else's RP in the process (it's a game, remember!). Just something to consider. I haven't seen this particular character in action (this is a general comment Kang, not directed at you. Please remember this if replying), but sometimes people do get OOCly upset with rude characters due to Power RPing. Usually it's less the rudeness, and more the tendency of such characters to dominate conversations and RP by speaking over the top of everyone, etc. Sehron doesn't fall into that basket... he's pretty rude, but it's the sly comment not brash overbearingness. There's nothing wrong with playing brash characters, but it does require a bit of restraint IMO.
                      I got one leg missin'
                      How do I get around?

                      One Leg Missin'
                      Meet the Feebles

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                      • #12
                        In general Sehron is usually only a smart ass to people who bother him. To his friends he can be the kindest person you have met.

                        The following characters have gotten into it verbally with Sehron. I was under the impression that these characters were meant to come off as a bit harsh.

                        Karthas, Logan, and Carmella that I can think of right now.

                        I want everybody to have a good time, and if I am truly bothering you, let me know, send me a tell and I will do what I can to avoid your character. It is suppose to be fun and I do not want to ruin anybody's experience.

                        And do remember, he is just a character on a game.
                        Byrun - Wandering Swordsman
                        Falrenn Silvershade - Shaper of Truths

                        If you're searching the lines for a point
                        Well, you've probably missed it
                        There was never anything there
                        In the first place

                        Wax Fang - Majestic

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                        • #13
                          I find it odd that the guy that is simply a bullying jerk IC gets all this OOC guff, yet all the IC murderers and puppy-kickers out there are automatically assumed to be playing their character.

                          How is that fair?!!!

                          You have my sympathies Kang.
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                          • #14
                            I found that the OOC messaage helps, but more so if its BEFORE the incident. Anyone that plays a mage and has run into snow hawk has prolly got a tell from me saying "Snow hawks thinks all mages are worthless slugs" or something along those lines. And then I start my crap IC. Just so they got the heads up its coming. Its right along the lines of when a person warns another person he's considering pvp.

                            Courtesy before hand helps a hell of a lot more then courtesy afterwards.

                            I remember running into the tiefling chick in the grove, and after a single exchange IC I sent her a tell saying "Snow's about to annoy the hell out of you".
                            And then it was all good. Had I done the annoying first and the message afterwards.. it would have been more of an apology then a heads up.
                            You should never have to apologize OOC to another player for IC happenings unless you do 1 of 2 things. Metagame or get their PC perm killed. Everything else is IC and part of both of your stories, which makes you both richer for having it happen, no matter how bad it is.

                            Again, you'll make more friends with the tell before, then the tell afterwards.

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