Sundren's Powerful Concept Builds

[The Butcher]

Here is a concept builds that abides by RP, that's also very durable at level 20. I love theorycrafting builds, especially ones that are Sundren specific, so I thought I would share it with people who might be interested in actually making it. Feel free to post suggestions/changes!

Green = Feats taken
Red = Class features
Orange = Necessary skills
Blue = Stat Allocation

Monk Thayan Knight

Character Stats/Alignment
Human (Mulan, or Rasheman)
Lawful Neutral, or Lawful Evil
STR: 12
DEX: 17 (+5)
CON: 10
INT: 13
WIS: 14
CHA: 8
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1.) Monk (1)
-Disarm
-Dirty Rat
-AC bonus
-Flurry of blows
-Improved unarmed strike
-Stunning fist
-Unarmed strike
+4 Knowledge: Arcana

2.) Monk (2)
-Evasion
-Deflect arrows
+2 Knowledge: Local

3.) Monk (3)
-Weapon Finesse
-Still mind
-Monk speed

4.) Monk (4)
+1 DEX
-Ki Strike (Magic)

5.) Monk (5)
-Purity of body
-AC Bonus +1

6.) Monk (6)
-Circle Kick
-Knockdown
-Improved knockdown

7.) Monk (7)
-Wholeness of body

8.) Monk (8)
+1 DEX

9.) Monk (9)
-Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike)
-Improved evasion

10.) Monk (10)
-Ki strike (Lawful)
-AC Bonus +2

11.) Monk (11)
-Diamond body
-Greater Flurry

12.) Monk (12)
-Weapon Focus (Longsword)
+1 DEX

13.) Monk (13)
-Diamond soul

14.) Monk (14)

15.) Monk (15)
-Iron Will
-Quivering palm
-AC Bonus +3

16.) Monk (16)
+1 DEX
-Ki strike (Adamantine)
-Save all 5 skill points!

17.) Fighter (1)
-Improved Critical (Unarmed Strike)
+8 Intimidate

18.) Thayan Knight (1)
-Dodge
-Horrors of Thay
-Zulkir's Favor

19.) Thayan Knight (2)
-Zulkir's Defender

20.) Thayan Knight (3)
-Improved Disarm
+1 DEX

Paladin of Mystra

Character Stats/Alignment
Human
Lawful Good
STR: 14
DEX: 12
CON: 8
INT: 14
WIS: 8
CHA: 18 (+5)
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1.) Sorcerer (1)
-Spellcasting Prodigy
-Combat Expertise

2.) Paladin (1)
Smite evil 1/day

3.) Paladin (2)
-Magic Attuned
-Divine grace
-Lay on hands

4.) Paladin (3)
+1 CHA
-Aura of Courage
-Divine health

5.) Sorcerer (2)
Begin pumping up Knowledge (Arcana) to 8

6.) Sorcerer (3)
-Power Attack

7.) Sorcerer (4)

8.) Sorcerer (5)
+1 CHA

9.) Sorcerer (6)
-Metamagic: Still Spell

10.) Eldritch Knight (1)
-Combat casting
-Skill Focus (Concentration)

11.) Eldritch Knight (2)

12.) Eldritch Knight (3)
-Practiced Spellcaster (Sorcerer)
+1 CHA

13.) Eldritch Knight (4)

14.) Eldritch Knight (5)

15.) Paladin (4)
-Divine Shield
-Turn undead

16.) Eldritch Knight (6)
+1 CHA

17.) Eldritch Knight (7)

18.) Eldritch Knight (8)
-Metamagic Feat, Improved Power Attack, or Tower Shield Prof.

19.) Eldritch Knight (9)

20.) Eldritch Knight (10)
+1 CHA

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[Kaizen]

imp disarm = waste. use the level 3 TK feat for gwf unarmed.


also, you need to start with 17 dex, 13 Int for disarm.

[The Butcher]

Greater Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike) requires 8 levels of fighter.

[Kaizen]

the wiki and character creation screen says the TK can take any feat with the exception of weapon spec (which requires 4 levels of fighter) so if that were the case, I don't think they would say "with the exception of WSpec". I could be wrong.

[The Butcher]

Not sure! The DEX/int thing was corrected though, so thank you.

[Saulus]

As long as that thayan knight is only using unarmed when their longsword is missing and they have no other sword nearby.

[The Butcher]

Conveniently find reasons to not use longswords at every turn, like me destroying them.

[DM_Acorn]

Dont use circle kick. It will clear out qued combat options like disarm.

[TakenByTheStormX]

Undeath ruin fighter/scythe weapon master/ranger/barb.
Human, chaotic alignment.
18 str (+5)
13 dex
12 con
13 int
10 wis
8 cha

1. Fighter - Combat expertise, dodge, mobility, throw 4 skill points in intimidate, do whatever you want with the rest. Hell, go UMD.
2. Fighter - Power attack
3. Fighter - Cleave
4. Fighter - Spring attack (+1 str)
5. Fighter
6. Fighter - Whirlwind, wep focus scythe
7. Wep Master - Scythe
8. Wep Master - (+1 str)
9. Wep Master - Improved crit scythe
10. Wep Master
11. Wep Master
12. Wep Master - Improved power attack (+1 str)
13. Wep Master
14. Ranger - Favored enemy: undead
15. Ranger - Two Weapon Fighting, Favored power attack undead
16. Barbarian - (+1 str)
17. Barbarian
18. Barbarian - Improved favored enemy: undead
19. Barbarian
20. Barbarian (+1 str)

Rage and leave on improved power attack, an undeath ruin scythe is essential.
Also, IDK if this build will work on Sundren or not, seeing as to how I just thought it up.

[Dragor]

A build I've had rattling in my head for a year...the ultimate AC tank...outside of a DD

Race: Moon Elf (interchangable with any elf with fave wizard, half-elf, and human)

Ability Scores at start

Str = 10
Dex = 16
Con = 12
Int = 16
Wis = 15
Cha = 8

(You only need to get Int up to 20 with buffs so there is leeway)

Important Skills: Concentration, Hide, Move Silently, Bluff(8), Spellcraft(4), Tumble (for the AC bonus at 10 and/or 20)

Necissary Feats: CE, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus Dagger/Kukri, and Fient

Recommended Feats: Imp-CE, Two-Weapon Defense, Extend Spell, and Practiced Spellcaster Wizard, Toughness

Lvl 1 - Class: Monk - Feat: CE
Lvl 2 - Class: Wizard
Lvl 3 - Class: Wizard - Feat: Fient
Lvl 4 - Class: Wizard - Ability: +Wis (now at 16)
Lvl 5 - Class: Wizard
Lvl 6 - Class: Wizard - Bonus Feat: Extend Spell - Feat: Two-Weapon Fighting
Lvl 7 - Class: Pale Master
Lvl 8 - Class: Pale Master - Ability: +Int (now at 17)
Lvl 9 - Class: Pale Master - Feat: Weapon Focus - Dagger
Lvl 10 - Class: Pale Master
Lvl 11 - Class: Pale Master
Lvl 12 - Class: Pale Master - Ability: +Int (now at 18) - Feat: Two-Weapon Defense
Lvl 13 - Class: Pale Master
Lvl 14 - Class: Pale Master
Lvl 15 - Class: Pale Master - Feat: Imp. CE
Lvl 16 - Class: Invis. Blade - Ability: +Dex (now at 17)
Lvl 17 - Class: Invis. Blade
Lvl 18 - Class: Invis. Blade - Feat: Practiced Spellcaster (Wizard)
Lvl 19 - Class: Invis. Blade
Lvl 20 - Class: Invis. Blade - Ability: +Dex (now at 18)

If you get to 21 take your last lvl of PM

Finished Abilities:
Str = 10
Dex = 18
Con = 12
Int = 18
Wis = 16
Cha = 8

Recommended Equipment: Two Daggers (for the +1 AC), Ring of Clear Thought +2, Ring of Protection +2, +2 Dex Gloves, Amulet of Wis +2 or Natural Armor +2, and some kind of clothing (not armor) that gives +2 AC <_< >_>

Recommended Spells: IMA, Spiderskin, Owl's Wisdom, Cat's Grace, etc...

Summary: Monk-1, Wiz-5, PM-9, IB-5

Pro's - With Buff's + Equipment + Imp. CE at lvl 20 AC pushes or surpasses 60; You can summon a powerfull undead ally; You can hide and MS with the best of them; You can self buff

Con's - You can't hit shit; You cant take much dmg (Cir has more HP); And Paladins and good aligned clerics will swarm out of nowhere to hate on you; only up to 7th lvl spells if I did the math right

[Dragor]

@Butcher

On a Pali of Mystra Sorc/EK build you'll want to take the 6 Sorc lvl's first, I found this to be the best way by the 6th incarnation of Dante (My Pali/Sorc/EK) Then take the 4 lvl's of Pali, then EK...of course the 13 int requirement really hampers the entire build *Glares spitefully at Kael*


I would Probably try for:

16 Str 20 str with a bastard or great sword puts you on a good lvl of dmg
10 Dex (you can buff this)
13 Con (boots of hardiness is +1 or you could just do 12 and use Bear' Endurance)
13 Int (you only need this for CE...thats it... you get enough skillpoints for the build regardless)
8 Wis (if you didnt have to bump int you could have this at ten *glares some more*)
and everything else into Cha (and obviously!)

[Root]

Favoured Soul 20!

(Sorry, couldn't resist. )

[The Butcher]

16 Str 20 str with a bastard or great sword puts you on a good lvl of dmg
10 Dex (you can buff this)
13 Con (boots of hardiness is +1 or you could just do 12 and use Bear' Endurance)
13 Int (you only need this for CE...thats it... you get enough skillpoints for the build regardless)
8 Wis (if you didnt have to bump int you could have this at ten *glares some more*)
and everything else into Cha (and obviously!)

I wasn't able to get these stats at character creation, as a human. The only thing that's truly important about the Paladin/Sorc/EK build is taking the 4th level of paladin on a feat level, after Power Attack, so you can take Divine Shield and not mess up your EK requirements.

In my head, the most important thing to level at lower levels is AC, so the ability to Mage Armor + Shield + Full Plate + Heavy Shield seemed like a good idea. However, if you have had a bad experience in trying this, I might switch it up.

[Dragor]

Favoured Soul 20!

(Sorry, couldn't resist. )

Stop power building Root :P

@Butcher: I would say drop PA from the feat lists unless you really want cleave and your AC will be high enough without a tower shield (Your AB is already hurting from the sorc lvl's)...take extend spell early (I cannot stress the importance of this one enough) Exotic Weapon Prof (Bastard swords do a nice amount of dmg even with a low str build)....and toughness (Also highly stress this one) {would have suggested all this earlier but it was 3:30 A.M and I wasnt all there}

[The Butcher]

@Butcher: I would say drop PA from the feat lists unless you really want cleave and your AC will be high enough without a tower shield

Power Attack is a prerequisite for Divine Shield, an instant action and a great +8 to AC for 8 rounds at 20, with Eagle's Splendor (or a +3 CHA item).