Resurrection/Raise Dead and deities?

[vexxen]

Ive had a look around the forums, and asked several people and have seen mixed views. So I thought I'd make a post.

The Resurrection/Raise Dead spell. When a priest/Favoured soul/ whoever else can cast it casts it on a dead PC, what happens there? does the PC know which god the divine power came from to bring them back? Whats the house rule for Sundren on this? ((hope its understandable, its late over here :P))

[grant]

Just as an additional question. What about scrolls? Is it not reasonable to assume that the patron deity of the cleric writing the scroll must be invoked with the reading?

[Doubtful]

Most, if not all, clerical spells would involve invoking the dieties name, or calling on his/her/its power - Always worth remembering when the next idiot of bane is casting 'Bless' on his mentally handi-capable paladin grinding buddy (Is it really that hard to ask?).

In the case of resurrection / raise dead the yes, without a doubt the person being brought back will fully know which diety the raiser worships, as will anyone in earshot. This also applies to scrolls.

Essentially these spells are requesting that the god, or ultra high powered servants of the god, step in directly to save/rebuild/whatever the dead person. It's not really something you can keep under wraps.

Thinking about it it might be even be nice to have an automated emote on casting these spells that notifies everyone involved of the resurrecting deities name.

So when you're raised by a PC remember to ask - and remember to tell.

[Spacedog]

This is why we get to turn off ressurectable, too. If your soul doesn't want to come back, it won't.

On the subject of scrolls, however, does it report the creator's deity, or the caster's. And if it's the caster's, what happens if someone with no deity uses such a scroll?

[Doubtful]

Scroll and rods/staves are where it gets a little bit wobbly, atleast in the on-line sense.

A scroll, at least as I see it, would be akin to a very well tailored spiritual distress flare. A flare that is designed to pop into the attention of one deity's spiritual help-desk. For instance, a cleric of Helm crafting a scroll of resurrection is only going to know the correct movements and incantations that relate to Helm, therefore when that scroll is used again by someone else it'll pop off that 'please help my buddy recover from suprise death' flare to Helm, regardless of the diety of the caster.

Now, that's the problem; a spell that attracts the attention of Helm is extremely unlikely to function in the hands of many other people. For instance a cleric of Mask using a scroll written by a Helmite may suddenly find themselves receiving quite the opposite of a resurrection.

Of course, on persistent worlds there is no way to track who writes a scroll, what their diety is, and who it might work on, so it's a bit moot. For Ig purposes I'd say that it should report the spell users diety, and a random one in the case of someone without a diety (Or Oghma, seeing as he'll go with anyone. The slut).

[Fezzik]

(Or Oghma, seeing as he'll go with anyone. The slut).

Wouldn't Oghma just turn them into a book instead? That way they'd live forever and spread knowledge

[Doubtful]

Nah, Oghma is to loose for that - LG to CE, he'll take anyone for nothing more than a nice recipe or slim memoir.

Personally I suspect that Oghma is a filthy filthy pervert - Accepting anyone who does anything. I think that once his worshipers and followers die he consumes their souls, ripping their experiences from them. That way, with time, he'll experiance every possible thing that can be experianced, and from every single angle - He'll have been subjected to the basest horrors, experianced the highest highs. Tasted every bitter defeat, every sweet victory and each so-so draw.

And once he's done that, well, he'll probably sing a song.

[Urithrand]

Would you say teh same of Ghandi?

[Doubtful]

I'd concede that Ghandi may have sung a song. Yes.

But I'd wager it was a bit whiny, and backed by acoustic guitar. Much like that guy we all new in college/6th form, the one with the long hair and acoustic guitar who thought he was brilliant because he could make the song 'American Pie' last a will-to-live sapping 30 minutes.